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Avoiding the HS experience was one of the drivers in the decision my wife and I made to homeschool. No one in either of our families had a good school experience. That's six people, of whom two found it tolerable but not great and 4 who struggled significantly with the HS experience


Yeah, I never found the high school experience to be a highlight in my life, far from it. I knew certain guys in H.S. and I found it fascinating that they absolutely peaked during that time, everything afterwards was a letdown in their adult lives. I felt bad for them.

About 10 years after I graduated from college, my parents were preparing to sell their house I grew up in, and were cleaning things out. They found some of my H.S. yearbooks and asked if I wanted to keep them. I told them to chuck them, and to this day, I have no regrets having them tossed into the trash.



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Coaches would string you up for suggesting that money be diverted to STEM from athletics.

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You acquainted with Texas High School Football? It is almost a religion in the Lone Star State.

I could care less about STEM, it is a fad that will soon fade away. Frankly I would like to see more Liberal Arts majors. College is not trade school. We need some thinkers in this world. God knows they are absent in the political arena. I read business letters from engineers and IT people frequently and I wonder if we speak the same language.
 
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Avoiding the HS experience was one of the drivers in the decision my wife and I made to homeschool. No one in either of our families had a good school experience. That's six people, of whom two found it tolerable but not great and 4 who struggled significantly with the HS experience


I'm with you. Due to my brother's need to graduate from a "Name" college to further his chances of being accepted at Medical School, I did my Junior and Senior years of high school in a school that was a nightmare for a lot of the non minority students attending there.

For various reasons including birthdate and a 6 month stay in the hospital at age 15, I turned 18 in my Junior year and came very close to dropping out and getting a G.E.D. just to get away from the jungle that was called a school.

Ultimately I stayed and graduated but I don't even think about High School as it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
 
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High school for me was a lot of fun. Played sports, worked at a job, hung out with my friends and was seldom home. Dated a lot of different girls, generally from the all girls Catholic high schools in Chicago. I was actually rather surprised that I was accepted into a top ten University.
It sure beat grade school and was helpful in limiting my time at home.
 
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School sucked for me. All of it, from elementary to HS. I wast fat and picked on my entire school experience. I had to join The Marines and literally put to death who I used to be and start over. Joined, lost 60 pounds, got in shape and left home forever. I have no connection to anyone in my hometown or my old high school. High school has changed since the 90's and it not anywhere recognizable now to what it used to be.

Although not in Oregon anymore, HS there is the worst. Putting sports aside, the high schools were more focused on gender identity, questioning your gender, pronouns, dividing children from their parents, convincing everyone the had a mental condition, and political activism.

I'm happy to be denying my son the public school experience. He is happy, confident, polite and he has a lot of self-esteem while at the same time not being conceited, needy or fragile. And he has a strong Christian faith, especially for his age.

It would be interesting to compare a HS from TX or FL or anywhere in the south, to a HS from Portland, Seattle or San Fran. Depending on the location, homeschool could have a stronger argument.

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Coaches would string you up for suggesting that money be diverted to STEM from athletics.

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You acquainted with Texas High School Football? It is almost a religion in the Lone Star State.

I could care less about STEM, it is a fad that will soon fade away. Frankly I would like to see more Liberal Arts majors. College is not trade school. We need some thinkers in this world. God knows they are absent in the political arena. I read business letters from engineers and IT people frequently and I wonder if we speak the same language.


Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics are fads? Really? Pretty sure these fields are as old as civilization itself.

Good grief.




 
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Yeah technology is as old as civilization itself. Give me a break!
 
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I am guessing that the choice to home school is related to the high school experience of the parent. Seems to be the case here.
 
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I am guessing that the choice to home school is related to the high school experience of the parent. Seems to be the case here.

Confused One poster said high school sucked for him, he's happy to save his kids from the current woke high school experience, and you're trying to draw some kind of generalization from that? That brush just keeps getting wider. Big Grin
 
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Yeah technology is as old as civilization itself. Give me a break!


Pretty sure stone tools were the peak of technology at one point in our history. I seem to recall learning that they gave early humans a significant edge over their competition. How is that definition of technology any different?


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I am guessing that the choice to home school is related to the high school experience of the parent. Seems to be the case here.


I had a reasonably enjoyable high school experience. A lot has changed since then and I disagree with how the public education system is being run, what is being taught, and the quality of graduates being produced. We are fortunate to live in an area where there is ample opportunity for our son to have plenty of extracurricular activities despite seeing to his core education at home.

Clearly we have a fundamentally different understanding of the world we live in, and are going to have to agree to disagree.

Nevertheless I maintain that lack of school athletics is a very poor argument to make against against those of us that choose to homeschool.

I also maintain that there is and has been entirely too much focus on athletics at the expense of actual education in our school systems. We would do better to devote more funding to paying better qualified and vetted teachers in greater numbers (to reduce the student:teacher ratio) than pouring money into extracurricular activities. While important, extracurricular activities do not constitute the intended purpose of our ailing education system.




 
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Read the posts from Benny6 and Flash. I guess you had a good experience in high school, since you have not said. I am going off the posts here, not some scientific study which would be interesting.
 
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Nevertheless I maintain that lack of school athletics is a very poor argument to make against against those of us that choose to homeschool

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It is just one reason. The primary reason is getting along with others, despite what others might say. We can agree to disagree. I never considered home schooling my children, although I did send them to private school for the elementary grades. It has worked out well for them. My adult children have the values of their parents, not their teachers. I think some of the folks here think public schools have become reeducation camps.
 
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Read the posts from Benny6 and Flash. I guess you had a good experience in high school, since you have not said. I am going off the posts here, not some scientific study which would be interesting.


I posted an edit to my post to address that point.




 
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Read the posts from Benny6 and Flash. I guess you had a good experience in high school, since you have not said. I am going off the posts here, not some scientific study which would be interesting.

I did. I didn't see where Flash-LB said anything about homeschooling his kids or if he even has kids for that matter.
 
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It is just one reason. The primary reason is getting along with others, despite what others might say. We can agree to disagree. I never considered home schooling my children, although I did send them to private school for the elementary grades. It has worked out well for them. My adult children have the values of their parents, not their teachers. I think some of the folks here think public schools have become reeducation camps.


I can't speak for all homeschooled children. There are no doubt some homeschoolers that turn out to be devoid of interpersonal skills. There are plenty of public school kids who turn out the same.

My kiddo is friendly, outgoing, personable, and able to speak proficiently on subjects many years more advanced than his peers.

Question. Have you spent any time with younger millenials or Gen Z aged individuals?




 
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Avoiding the “high school experience” (or more generally “the public school experience”) is one of the primary motivators to homeschool to many homeschoolers… perhaps even the majority.

It wasn’t the reason that we chose this route 4 years ago but it certainly would be now. Just our opinion on it, I suppose.

And while I don’t value competitive sports very much at all, I can admit they offer certain lessons to developing children… it’s just not something I’m going to push on my kids.
 
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Question. Have you spent any time with younger millenials or Gen Z aged individuals?

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Yep. Probably much more than you do. Millenials still cannot do simple math without a calulator. I do not have a Tik Tok account or Instagram and I do not play video games, but I am familiar with these things.
 
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Question. Have you spent any time with younger millenials or Gen Z aged individuals?

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Yep. Probably much more than you do. Millenials still cannot do simple math without a calulator. I do not have a Tik Tok account or Instagram and I do not play video games, but I am familiar with these things.


I work in a retail setting. I have spent a lot of time with them Wink

Many, not all, but many have limited skills in simple mathematics as you observe, very limited knowledge of history and literature, and below average understanding of geopolitical issues.

They are strongly influenced by celebrity and social media, and apt to believe what they are told by such with no independent confirmation.

The greatest deficiency is in the lack of critical thinking skills. It simply isn't being taught.

Our choice to homeschool is to prevent those outcomes for our son.




 
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I think some of the folks here think public schools have become reeducation camps.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

They have.

But hey, if they have a football team it's OK. Roll Eyes


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I did. I didn't see where Flash-LB said anything about homeschooling his kids or if he even has kids for that matter.


I never had any kids, and that was intentional.

But if I did they'd either be homeschooled or sent to private schools.

Not because of what happened to me, but because of the total lack of education I see in kids these days.
 
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