Originally posted by flashguy: I think "defuse", not "diffuse". But yes, some poor action by both parties.
flashguy
Yep, fixed it. Thanks!
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February 18, 2019, 03:02 PM
BadDogPSD
Yes, the left really is that 'unhinged'.
Like guns, Love Sigs
February 18, 2019, 03:05 PM
Sig2340
The ideal response.
Nice is overrated
"It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018
February 18, 2019, 03:06 PM
Strambo
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Originally posted by chellim1:
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Originally posted by Otto Pilot: I remember reading once upon a time, that the three most dangerous words in the English language were "Go ahead, shoot." This guy gave it a try.
As Balze said, a whole lotta' stupid in one place.
Yeah...
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Pierce went on to tell 13 News, "I said, 'Then pull the trigger. Put the gun down and fight me or pull the trigger. Whichever one you want.'
That was dumb. If someone is waving a gun in my face I'm going to try to defuse the situation... not dare him to pull the trigger.
I see it as really going only one of two ways depending on what your "gut" is telling you.
If in the moment, you feel he is likely to shoot based on the totality of his words, actions, apparent state of mind and non-verbal cues (processed mostly by your subconscious resulting in that "gut" feeling), then run or fight!
If, in that moment you feel that he will not shoot, then immediately de-escalate as the safest method to avoid both being shot or causing an escalation that could result in your wife or another bystander getting shot. Constantly re-assessing in case it goes sideways.
Based on the idiotic actions of the MAGA hat wearer, he either got a gut feeling the guy wouldn't shoot or he got so mad he ignored whatever gut feeling he may have had. Either way, he was right, the guy didn't want to shoot, but verbal escalation, then following him and engaging again was really dumb.
Fight for your life or de-escalate...the middle ground is a graveyard for the stupid.
“People have to really suffer before they can risk doing what they love.” –Chuck Palahnuik
The “I’m not afraid of you” reaction is surprisingly common. But, however, sometimes people should be. Sometimes people who are motivated enough to threaten with a gun can be talked into using it:
In the end one person is paying for their actions and the other's actions caused no harm. So they may have both been dumb, but one clearly more so than the other.
Originally posted by sigfreund: The “I’m not afraid of you” reaction is surprisingly common. But, however, sometimes people should be. Sometimes people who are motivated enough to threaten with a gun can be talked into using it:
Humans the way they are, I would say, unsurprisingly common.
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February 18, 2019, 03:45 PM
PHPaul
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Fight for your life or de-escalate...the middle ground is a graveyard for the stupid.
That should be carved in stone somewhere.
Be careful when following the masses. Sometimes the M is silent.
February 18, 2019, 04:36 PM
wxdave
I think the "victim" watched too many Dirty Harry movies.
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February 18, 2019, 05:16 PM
flashguy
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Originally posted by chellim1:
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Originally posted by flashguy: I think "defuse", not "diffuse". But yes, some poor action by both parties.
flashguy
Yep, fixed it. Thanks!
You're welcome. (You will note that I did not identify where the presumed error occurred. I just wanted to be helpful.)
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth
February 18, 2019, 06:52 PM
911Boss
I’m not going to fault the guy. I wasn’t there, I don’t know what his plan or thought process was. I’ll say this though, dumb or not kudos to him standing up to this moron.
Smart to follow out? Maybe not but it let him get the info needed or delay until the cops got there.
Most such cases the bad guy is gone well before the cops get there and is rarely id’d so free to keep putting people at risk.
Me, in a crowded store I think I’d just start screaming GUN! GUN! GUN! as loud as I could and draw as much attention to the guy as I could then <jwick: on> once he turns and looks to see what others are doing, draw and double tap chest followed by headshot, then 360 degree scan, and holster if no other threats present <jwick: off>
What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???
February 18, 2019, 06:57 PM
arfmel
“Police say Phillips has a current concealed carry permit in Tennessee, where he is from”
Not for long
February 18, 2019, 07:03 PM
mbinky
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"I said, 'Then pull the trigger'
Not the last words I'd want on my tombstone personally....
February 18, 2019, 07:03 PM
bionic218
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I’m not going to fault the guy. I wasn’t there, I don’t know what his plan or thought process was.
Same here. Many people will say he 'shoulda, woulda, coulda' but unless you've had a gun pointed at you in anger, you don't really know what your reaction will be.
Glad he made it out alive. Hope the other guy likes prison food . . . and penis.
February 18, 2019, 07:05 PM
straightshooter01
This is why I shop at Costco.
February 18, 2019, 07:10 PM
Cliff
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Originally posted by 12131:
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Originally posted by braillediver:
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He couldn't leave because his mother was still in the store.
That's funny. Will Mom bail him out?
Likely not, because she finally has her basement back.
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"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
--James Earl Jones
February 18, 2019, 07:59 PM
Sailor1911
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Originally posted by PHPaul: We discussed this on another board.
General agreement is that Pierce is a HUGE dumbass both for taunting the guy while he was holding a gun on him AND for confronting him again outside.
He's damned lucky to be alive.
On that board it also spurred a lot of chest beating and "I'd have kicked his ass" stuff. I said I didn't know what I'd have done.
I think if I'd have felt truly threatened, or if I felt my wife/family was in danger, I'd have tried to shoot the asshole.
Then again, with a fo-tay in my face, I might have just pissed my pants and begged him not to hurt me.
I seriously doubt anybody really KNOWS what their reaction will be until it happens. Too many variables.
Sam's sell baseball bats, don't they?
Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.
“If in winning a race, you lose the respect of your fellow competitors, then you have won nothing” - Paul Elvstrom "The Great Dane" 1928 - 2016
February 18, 2019, 08:03 PM
tk13
"And stay out of the Sam's Club!"
February 18, 2019, 08:15 PM
c1steve
Usually your gut instincts are correct, and he probably thought it was safe to follow the jerk out to his car. This would probably be the only way the perp would get caught.
Mouthing off to the guy not a good idea, but your gut instincts are very reliable.
