I hope that piece of shit gets some serious karma.

The poor guy died terrified and in tears.

I believe a person can become so rattled and unable to behave that this sort of thing can happen.

To me, the officers were per perfectly safe. Suspect on the ground, their guns trained on him
,finger on trigger, there's no way the suspect could present a gun and get shots off before the officers could pull their triggers.

Clearly the suspect was scared out of his mind, practically crying, totally stressed and rattled, momentarily unable to comply.

The officers were in total control of the situation, and safe.

They should have called for backup to arrive, taken their time and deescelate the situation. They were in total and safe control.

And what about that poor girl? I'm sure she's traumatized.

Those 2 psychopaths should never have been police officers.

Put me on the jury and that officer is guilty and gets the strongest ultimate possible punishment.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
So I have not watched and don't plan to.

I wish I hadn't.
That was disgusting.

Disturbing that could happen let alone be found not guilty of anything.

All of you guys calling the cop a murderer, an assassin, etc, I'd love to hear more. You saw the video. A gun was believed to be in play. The suspect made a move to reach behind his back. If you only saw the portion of the video from the point where the suspect starts crawling towards the cop, you'd be saying the guy should have followed instructions and got what he deserved.

The suspect was terrified, which caused him to make several mistakes, the last of which got him shot. If the cops were trigger happy or out to kill someone, they could have done it the first time he reached behind his back.

It's a bad shoot because the situation did not have to be handled that way and the cops used poor judgment in failing to de-escalate the scene and in evaluating the dangers presented by the suspect, but I don't understand calling the cop a murderer.

(also a lot of you seem to think the shooter and the cop yelling instructions are the same guy.....they are two different cops).

What would ya call that cop then?

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What would ya call that cop then?

A real bad cop.

That was an execution.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
So I have not watched and don't plan to.

I wish I hadn't.
That was disgusting.

Yeah, that video will stick with me for awhile. I can just imagine how terrorized that poor guy was. That cop should be assigned to a desk from now on with nothing more dangerous than a pencil at hand.

Jim

What happened to "walk backwards towards me. Lay on the ground face down with your hands intertwined behind your head and legs crossed." And then someone come and handcuff the guy?

Seriously, having that guy come forward doesn't look like the most secure and safest procedure even if he was on his knees. It went one of two ways. The other would have been the guy comes close enough and put the cops at risk then it's be another case study of what not to do.

Very disturbing. No idea if things would have turned out differently, but it makes me think it might have been safer for the suspect to just refuse to move at all once his hands were either out front on the floor, or behind his head, for fear any movement he made might be misinterpreted. I'm not criticizing him as he was trying to comply while in a terrified state - I'm looking at it from a "what should I do if in the same shitty predicament" perspective.

Allowing a zillion fire ants to eat the yeller, shooter, and judge alive would be cruel.

...to the ants.

What I find ridiculous is that the officers had him in a position to be cuffed and subdued safely and didn't. Now it might be regs to have him come to the officers but then it brings into play that the lady dropped the bag pretty much in the way of where the guy had to crawl past, putting him into proximity to a bag that had who knows what in it that could potentially harm the officers. With that in play it would have been more prudent to go to him instead of introducing that other uncertainty, and thus having a different outcome. I have defended countless officer involved shootings at work with other coworkers, making me somewhat unpopular, but I cant see any defense in this shooting at all.

I don't know why they didn't walk right up to him while he was face down and slap some cuffs on him. Crazy to watch. I tried kneeling with my legs crossed, hands straight up and walking on my knees and it's hard as hell to do without several cops screaming and pointing rifles at you. I thought he was going to get shot the first time both his hands went behind his back for several seconds. Shooter should never work as a LEO again I hope.

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Yeah, that video will stick with me for awhile. I can just imagine how terrorized that poor guy was. That cop should be assigned to a desk from now on with nothing more dangerous than a pencil at hand.

Jim[/QUOTE]

No desk.
A prison cell and a bed sheet. For both the shooter and his co-conspirator.

Fucking ROBO Cop in action. Another wanna be Rambo..

Suspects on the ground, arms spread eagle, legs crossed, gun trained on him.....so other officer goes over and slaps cuffs on him, damn it. Then frisk him.

What is so difficult about that?

Talk about a controlling prick. Overcomplicated instructions almost designed to confuse the victim. The kid posed no threat whatsoever. The cop should be on death row awaiting a needle in his arm.

This happened right down the road from me. From the onset you knew it was going to be politicked because of his family and church affiliations.

And that's exactly what happened. An execution and a cover-up.

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Originally posted by rusbro:
Very disturbing. No idea if things would have turned out differently, but it makes me think it might have been safer for the suspect to just refuse to move at all once his hands were either out front on the floor, or behind his head, for fear any movement he made might be misinterpreted. I'm not criticizing him as he was trying to comply while in a terrified state - I'm looking at it from a "what should I do if in the same shitty predicament" perspective.

Yep. I'm on the ground spread eagle. My hands are away from me and empty. I have no weapons. I am not going to move for fear of being killed. Come and cuff me whenever you want.
Also, am I the only one that sees his empty right hand before he is shot?

This was handled poorly. They appear to have had enough room from the corner of that hallway to not be exposed had they decided to cuff the suspects on the floor. Complicating the commands by having him crawl was not needed.

The other lesson here is don’t get drunk in a hotel, wave guns out a window and disobey moronic albeit legal commands of a LEO. If your shorts fall down, let them fall to the ground so they can see not only your balls rubbing on the floor but that you have no weapons on you. That is better than getting dead.

Following the advice of the city lawyers, Mesa PD terminated this LEO for reasons not related to this shooting. Right.

Bad Cop and a bad shoot. Glad he was fired and he should have been convicted, but he won't be a Cop ever again and will have to live with his poor choices for the rest of his life.

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