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October 11, 2017, 01:07 PM
bendable
Route 91 fest Vegas shooting?
Gil garcetti, Christopher Darden , Marcia Clark and Mark Furhman called ,
they say that everything is under control and one need not worry .

its all part of the master plan





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October 11, 2017, 01:40 PM
CaptainMike
It was violent video games, and that Heavy Metal Rap Rock music, Tipper Gore called it back in the 80's!!!! She was some kind of Mark-V Ultra super psychic!



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October 11, 2017, 01:42 PM
smithnsig
So now the Hotel is disputing the new timeline.
MGM disputes the new timeline.

Also, some are saying he used the freight elevator, MGM made the statement, "customers are not allowed to use the freight elevator."

Would not surprise me if he had assistance. Maybe even a hotel employee.


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October 11, 2017, 01:48 PM
Gustofer
quote:
Originally posted by bendable:
Gil garcetti, Christopher Darden , Marcia Clark and Mark Furhman called ,
they say that everything is under control and one need not worry .

its all part of the master plan

Good point. OJ was released that weekend. There's your accomplice.


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October 11, 2017, 01:54 PM
parabellum
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
Would not surprise me if he had assistance. Maybe even a hotel employee.
You're bound and determined for there to be a conspiracy.
October 11, 2017, 02:01 PM
HRK
modified it a bit from Pulp Fiction....

"Truth is, nobody knows why Paddock shot all those people out of that 32nd-story window except Stephen Paddock . When you little scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle."
October 11, 2017, 02:03 PM
gw3971
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
So now the Hotel is disputing the new timeline.
MGM disputes the new timeline.

Also, some are saying he used the freight elevator, MGM made the statement, "customers are not allowed to use the freight elevator."

Would not surprise me if he had assistance. Maybe even a hotel employee.


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October 11, 2017, 02:09 PM
saigonsmuggler
quote:
Originally posted by smithnsig:
Would not surprise me if he had assistance. Maybe even a hotel employee.

Could very well be - for a good tip!

Same thing when he was spotted with a 'mystery' woman - a Vegas call girl.
October 11, 2017, 02:13 PM
parabellum
No evidence of any such thing, and there won't be.

The answer is staring us in the face.
October 11, 2017, 02:20 PM
bendable
"Good point. OJ was released that weekend. There's your accomplice."
by gustofer


I did not know that,

I was speaking more to how badly the L.E. and prosecution in L.A. royally screwed up . had they done a better job, o.j. would still be in the slammer





Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency.



Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first
October 11, 2017, 03:23 PM
slosig
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
All the conspiracy people can tighten their tin-foil. The murderer's home was burglarized last weekend. Clearly, this was his CIA contacts purging all incriminating evidence for the conspiracy. Roll Eyes No one must have seen the escape since they took the silent black helicopters.

Oh, and no brain tumors on autopsy. They didn't mention if there were any CIA chips in his brain though. Roll Eyes


^Gee Sig209, it's too bad no one hadn't already made that point... on the same page of the thread Roll Eyes


Yeah, maybe. Or maybe some opportunist thought, “Gee, the guy was rich, maybe there is some good shit in his house to steal. It isn’t like he is going to be guarding it...”
October 11, 2017, 04:58 PM
justjoe
quote:
Originally posted by slosig:
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
quote:
Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
All the conspiracy people can tighten their tin-foil. The murderer's home was burglarized last weekend. Clearly, this was his CIA contacts purging all incriminating evidence for the conspiracy. Roll Eyes No one must have seen the escape since they took the silent black helicopters.

Oh, and no brain tumors on autopsy. They didn't mention if there were any CIA chips in his brain though. Roll Eyes


^Gee Sig209, it's too bad no one hadn't already made that point... on the same page of the thread Roll Eyes


Yeah, maybe. Or maybe some opportunist thought, “Gee, the guy was rich, maybe there is some good shit in his house to steal. It isn’t like he is going to be guarding it...”


Oh it's better than that: the house was under 24/7 guard by state and federal law enforcement agencies. And a group of burglers broke in. Now the punchline: They didn't take anything.

Apparently they just wanted a good laugh. Big Grin


http://www.dailywire.com/news/...ty-and-emily-zanotti


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October 11, 2017, 05:03 PM
braillediver
Seeing how screwed up this end of the atrocity is incompetency leading up to it is possible.


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October 11, 2017, 06:04 PM
Cookster
quote:
Originally posted by justjoe:

Oh it's better than that: the house was under 24/7 guard by state and federal law enforcement agencies. And a group of burglers broke in. Now the punchline: They didn't take anything.

Apparently they just wanted a good laugh. Big Grin


http://www.dailywire.com/news/...ty-and-emily-zanotti


A similar event happened at the home of the San Bernardino terrorists, which was completely wrapped up in crime-scene tape, where the landlord opened the door to let in a swarm of journalists not too long after the attack.

I thought then, how the fuck does that happen?!
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October 11, 2017, 06:12 PM
BamaJeepster
quote:
Originally posted by justjoe:
Oh it's better than that: the house was under 24/7 guard by state and federal law enforcement agencies. And a group of burglers broke in. Now the punchline: They didn't take anything.

Apparently they just wanted a good laugh. Big Grin


http://www.dailywire.com/news/...ty-and-emily-zanotti


If you pitched that in a script they would run you out of the office.

The 'theory' on this is that it was just a group of wacky pranksters who evaded FBI and state law enforcement to break into the home, do nothing once inside, and then disappear?

Must be the same geniuses trying to establish a timeline.

As someone once said: Big floppy clown shoes.



“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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October 11, 2017, 06:21 PM
justjoe
Tomorrow they will break in again, and take a bunch of stuff.

Then the next day, they will break in again and bring it all back.


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October 11, 2017, 06:31 PM
BamaJeepster
Maybe they have the video from all these cameras that cover every square inch of every hotel and casino in Las Vegas. Maybe they will break in and return that!



“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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October 11, 2017, 08:47 PM
sdy
a very controversial story coming out of ABC

they are reporting MGM security did not report the initial shooting at the guard and maintenance worker to the police

ABC says they have several sources that it was not called in to police. There are audio recordings of the maintenance worker talking to MGM security and telling them someone is shooting down the hall on the 32nd floor.

You can hear gun fire on the call from the maintenance worker.

An ABC reporter on the video asks Assistant Sheriff Roberts if there was a call and Roberts says they may have been in the "process of creating that event but it didn't quite get out to everybody".

ABC says the MGM spokesperson would not comment on this story.

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-v...t-by-stephen-paddock

Mandalay Bay staff did not call Las Vegas police until after Stephen Paddock had already begun firing on the concertgoers, according to "World News Tonight" on ABC.

Their information comes from an anonymous source who has reviewed records from the hotel-casino.

According to the report, Mandalay Bay staff did not call police when security guard Jesus Campos reported internally that someone was shooting on the 32nd floor. Nor did they call police when building engineer Stephen Schuck also reported internally that someone was firing at him on the 32nd floor.

About six minutes after shots were fired inside the hotel, Paddock began firing outside at the crowd, according to Sheriff Joe Lombardo.

Las Vegas police say they'll have an updated and more complete timeline on Friday.
October 11, 2017, 08:54 PM
sdy
Holy crap!

http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-v...k-chose-mandalay-bay

Las Vegas (KTNV) - UPDATE: MGM Resorts Spokesperson Debra DeShong issued the following statement today: "As law enforcement has confirmed, the shooter was accompanied by a bellman on two occasions in a service elevator along with his luggage. It is not a special perk and guests do request to remain with their bags, and they may be taken to their room via the service elevator.”

PREVIOUS STORY:

We're learning more today about why Stephen Paddock chose Mandalay Bay.

Sources being briefed on the investigation confirm Paddock had access to and used Mandalay Bay's service elevator in the days leading up to the attack.

Use of the service elevator there is a perk for high-rollers, which not every casino company allows.

At Mandalay Bay, Paddock knew the hotel, the location of the service elevators and how private they are.

We're also learning investigators believe it's clear from room modifications, like jamming of doors in Paddock's suite--that he was preparing for some sort of extended siege.

As for the changing timeline involving Security Officer Jesus Campos, ABC News is reporting Las Vegas Metropolitan Police allowed Campos to leave town after talking to him.

The FBI realized there was something up with the timeline and brought him back to be re-interviewed.

The FBI insisted the sheriff make it public, but sources say the sheriff was reluctant.

However, in a press conference on Friday, October 6, Undersheriff Kevin McMahill seemed to let it slip.

"The question is was he--was the security officer shot before the suspect was shooting into the crowd. The answer to that is yes, we believe he was shot--I'm sorry--that we believe that he was shooting into the crowd and then the security officer was shot during that event."

As of Monday, Sheriff Joe Lombardo confirmed Campos was shot first.

That was Metro's first official announcement about the inaccurate timeline.

Many have pointed questions about that and about how quickly police were notified by Mandalay Bay that they had a security officer shot.
October 11, 2017, 08:58 PM
EmpireState
Regarding the above story, I have been in situations at work around incredibly stupid and irresponsible people. Something happens and they should be calling 911 but instead do a policy dance and want to notify their supervisor and then that person wants to call their supervisor and so on. Sounds like they wasted a metric ton of time internally and I assume the crap is going to be royally hitting the fan.