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Originally posted by bendable:
where would a fella look to find out how much energy a .223 round has at 400 or so yards?

It would vary a bit by barrel length, bullet weight, etc but around 300 ft lbs on average.

I can’t believe that people are still holding on to the isis connection. This 64 year old man had nothing to do with any terrorist group, not isis, antifa or anything. I doubt that we’ll ever know why he did it and there’s no secret accomplice in hiding right now either.

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
I have only seen media reports conflating the 500+ injured as lumped together with shooting victims. It's unclear to me how many were injured by the efforts of taking cover and exodus. In no way do I mean to minimize the experiences and injuries of anyone involved, but I would like clarification on this point. How much was due to projectile injury versus, as someone mentioned many pages ago, a Cincinnatti/Who concert crowd surge?

Last nights 8pm news conference stated that the injured numbers were now at 489. 58 passed, plus shooter is 59. I have not heard how many were caused by aftermath rather than GSW. Coroner previously said he's not specifying until after all is complete and families are informed first.

Change in original number was attributed to multiple hospital reports which may not have excluded other injuries routine in LV.

^Thanks!

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Originally posted by preten2b:

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
I have only seen media reports conflating the 500+ injured as lumped together with shooting victims. It's unclear to me how many were injured by the efforts of taking cover and exodus. In no way do I mean to minimize the experiences and injuries of anyone involved, but I would like clarification on this point. How much was due to projectile injury versus, as someone mentioned many pages ago, a Cincinnatti/Who concert crowd surge?

Last nights 8pm news conference stated that the injured numbers were now at 489. 58 passed, plus shooter is 59. I have not heard how many were caused by aftermath rather than GSW. Coroner previously said he's not specifying until after all is complete and families are informed first.

Change in original number was attributed to multiple hospital reports which may not have excluded other injuries routine in LV.

I doubt the coroner is the source for how many wounded and how.

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Originally posted by preten2b:
Last nights 8pm news conference stated that the injured numbers were now at 489. 58 passed, plus shooter is 59.

This always irritated me. Why count him? He should have slit his wrists in a bathtub somewhere and died quietly. He does not deserve to be counted along with the victims of his act.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by preten2b:

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
I have only seen media reports conflating the 500+ injured as lumped together with shooting victims. It's unclear to me how many were injured by the efforts of taking cover and exodus. In no way do I mean to minimize the experiences and injuries of anyone involved, but I would like clarification on this point. How much was due to projectile injury versus, as someone mentioned many pages ago, a Cincinnatti/Who concert crowd surge?

Last nights 8pm news conference stated that the injured numbers were now at 489. 58 passed, plus shooter is 59. I have not heard how many were caused by aftermath rather than GSW. Coroner previously said he's not specifying until after all is complete and families are informed first.

Change in original number was attributed to multiple hospital reports which may not have excluded other injuries routine in LV.

I doubt the coroner is the source for how many wounded and how.

Sorry trying to be brief, not mysterious. At 1 point in earlier conference a reporter asked if all deceased were GSW. He wouldn't comment. Unintentionally- only applies to the deceased.

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Originally posted by bendable:
where would a fella look to find out how much energy a .223 round has at 400 or so yards?

Long ago the military (the Department of the Army Office of the Surgeon General, IIRC) concluded that a projectile with kinetic energy of 58 foot-pounds was necessary to cause a casualty. And “casualty” refers to someone who suffers a wound serious enough to render him combat ineffective, at least temporarily. The details of that are of course important and the figure is based on many averages. Shoot someone in the eye with an airsoft pellet and he would likely become largely combat ineffective, so projectiles with much less than 58 foot-pounds of energy are still capable of inflicting serious injuries requiring medical treatment, or possibly even death.

Of course the sheriff said last night that they have reasonable suspicion that the suspect had planned to escape but he wouldn't provide any details into how they know that.

What was this douche going to do? Parachute out his window and down to his car which was loaded with 50lbs of tannerite and 1,300 rounds of .223? There's no way he'd have been able to escape. He was trapped in a hotel room on the 32nd floor.

The guy may have prepared for that unlikely contingency, but the picture I'm getting of this sheriff is someone who tends to talk out of his ass.

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Originally posted by Copefree:
Of course the sheriff said last night that they have reasonable suspicion that the suspect had planned to escape but he wouldn't provide any details into how they know that.

What was this douche going to do? Parachute out his window and down to his car which was loaded with 50lbs of tannerite and 1,300 rounds of .223? There's no way he'd have been able to escape. He was trapped in a hotel room on the 32nd floor.

His hooker accomplice was going to stuff him in her jai jai and waltz out the door.

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Originally posted by SgtGold:
Of course he had help. Paid help in fact. They're called bell hops, and then live to move luggage. If he showed up with a bunch of stuff theh probably saw a big tip in their near future and happily moved everything up to his room without question. Happens all the time.

Apparently he is not that big of a tipper.



And it seems he has an appetite also.
Room service receipt says 2 guests.

^^Yet more "evidence".

She was a hungry hooker.

Looks like he had been planning something like this for a while.

Link

Stephen Paddock had his sights set on Lollapalooza in Chicago and even booked 2 rooms in a hotel that overlooked the massive outdoor venue ... TMZ has learned.

Paddock booked one room for August 1, 2017, 2 days before the August 3 kickoff. Paddock then booked a second room for an August 3 arrival. Both rooms had an August 6 checkout ... that's when Lollapalooza ended.
The hotel directly overlooked the main stage as well as several adjoining stages. It also overlooks the main entrance and exit where thousands of people file through. And the hotel had a bird's-eye view of the crowd. We're told Paddock specifically requested both rooms be a "view room" which only face Grant Park, where the concert was being held. And here's the scariest part ... it's difficult if not impossible to flee because of Lake Michigan. Sources tell TMZ Paddock had never booked a room at the hotel before, nor had his girlfriend.

Our sources say Paddock never showed.
If his plan was to wreak havoc on Lollapalooza the way he did 2 months later in Vegas, it shows the murderous plot was long-standing.

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Originally posted by oddball:
And it seems he has an appetite also.
Room service receipt says 2 guests.

Proof of an elaborate conspiracy...

Or maybe, he's just booked at a double-occupancy rate and that's reflected automatically in the charge-to-room system?

And really, what difference does it make relative to Paddock himself? Does having an accomplice make him less morally culpable?

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Originally posted by LDD:
Proof of an elaborate conspiracy...

It's a mystery, wrapped in a riddle, baked into a delectable enigma crust.

It's the turducken of clues.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The guy may have prepared for that unlikely contingency, but the picture I'm getting of this sheriff is someone who tends to talk out of his ass.

I caught a couple of minutes of his live comments yesterday and he is an idiot. At one point he called the shooter a superhero...then quickly corrected by saying, "well obviously not a hero". This was all in reference to the apparent inability of one person to buy guns, rent a room and spray bullets at a crowd. He was openly speculating in a rambling monologue with no evidence to support his statements. He was in fact talking out of his ass in the purest sense of the term.

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Originally posted by oddball:

Apparently he is not that big of a tipper.

And it seems he has an appetite also.
Room service receipt says 2 guests.

Would you really tip more than ten bucks for someone just to deliver food to your room? Ridiculously expensive food at that. I mean seriously, $12 for soup? They may have gotten five dollars from me at most for a room service meal.

What does it matter?