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My point exactly. You cannot prove that these cheating scandals altered the outcome of the game. If you are going to strip the Astros of their title, how many other titles you will have to take away from teams with cheating scandals in the past? | |||
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Not to the level the Astros were cheating. The video of their games and the audio evidence is what ultimately proved their transgressions. I would expect hundreds of hours of various teams games have been analyzed by investigative reporters and MLB, with no other culprits to date. | |||
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I agree, No stripping of titles. A big old asterisk attached to that year and the stink of being called cheaters is enough to taint it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Yeah...my thoughts on this whole charade:  "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by erj_pilot: Yeah...my thoughts on this whole charade: [/QUOTE. Sir: you are excused from the jury pool! | |||
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Hey look man I quoted your quote so your quote could be quoted by my quote.. For fucks sake, stop! Even Para asked us to stop this quoting the quote of a quote... | |||
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Just to show you how this is all blown out of proportion. {snip} from Wikipedia: link > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_stealing#Legality Legality According to the unwritten rules of baseball, stealing the signs that are given by the third base coach, or those of the catcher by a baserunner on second base, is acceptable, and it is up to the team giving the signs to protect them so they are not stolen. However, a batter peeking in to see the catcher's signs is considered a violation. The signs the catcher sends to the pitcher to call for the next pitch are considered more "sacred" than the signs a third base coach relays to the batter. According to the unwritten rules of baseball , stealing the signs that are given by the third base coach, or those of the catcher by a baserunner on second base, is acceptable, and it is up to the team giving the signs to protect them so they are not stolen . Stealing signs is not necessarily a violation of Major League Baseball's (MLB) rulebook ; it depends how the signs are stolen. At the December 1961 Winter Meetings, the National League banned the use of a "mechanical device" to steal signs. The use of electronic equipment is not specifically forbidden by MLB rules , but in 2001, Sandy Alderson, while serving as executive vice president for baseball operations of MLB, issued a memorandum stating that teams cannot use electronic equipment to communicate with each other during games, especially for the purpose of stealing signs. Before the 2019 season, Rob Manfred, the commissioner of baseball, instituted specific prohibitions on where teams could position cameras and how instant replay officials can communicate with managers in an effort to reduce illicit sign stealing. | |||
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Wouldn't break my heart to have the Mets change their minds on Carlos The Statue. _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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You’re right. It’s HOW the signs were stolen. That’s why they were punished. This isn’t rocket science (or surgery as Para says it).  ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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It is a "Taint" on the Astro's, top to bottom, including the players. And their accomplishments during this period. You can disagree or try to explain it away or whatever. But it is what it is. As I said, I kind of like the Astro's. But I am not a homer. They were given chances and thought they were above the rules and continued. So they earned what they got. Whether the owner was involved or knew is irrelevant as he can do as he wishes, and he did. So move on look to the future. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Originally posted by smschulz:
Stealing signs is one thing, using a camera is on a whole different level. Where does it say in the MLB rulebook that teams can use a camera and trash can to relay what the sign is? Also, if it were permitted, why did the Astro's get punished and Cora's about to get punished as well?   | |||
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Then make it an actual rule not just a feeling from self righteous assholes. Just repeating the Wiki info. | |||
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Using electronic devices to steal signs was outlawed in 2001 via directive from MLB. You should’ve looked further than wiki. We’re not the assholes here, pal. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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[/QUOTE] You cannot prove that these cheating scandals altered the outcome of the game.[/QUOTE] Sure you can. Take a look at the Astros home and away records during the 2017 playoffs. And then take a look at this video. Watch the video from 6 minutes in until the end. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9up10jsW1c ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Love the mental gymnastics it takes to justify real time cheating with cameras and electronic communications. No wonder the Astros had such a season, they were cheating - much like Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, and the rest of the juicers! Or if it's so 'OK', why isn't there an upswell of support for those recently (and apparently wrongfully) fired? Just another *asterisk* season and everyone will always remember it as such. Much like Lance Armstrong is a Tour de France champion in his own mind. | |||
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"self righteous assholes." .QUOTE] smshulz, a little self reflection could prove enlightening regarding the term "self righteous assholes."  you have made it clear no matter what the Astro's did. And have been punished for.You think it was ok. And anyone who agree's with Mlb is a "self righteous asshole and is just a pussy." That is precious. It really is "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Doesn't prove a thing. Only evidence that the Astros cheated. Nobody knows what the outcome of the games would be otherwise... It's baseball where anything can happen. Astros won the title in game 7 at LA. | |||
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Keep telling yourself that. The only people that don’t want to admit the truth are the Texans in this thread. They cheated for a reason. Because they were gaining an unfair competitive advantage. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it. Period. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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Astros 2017 postseason batting average , 283 Home 208 Away . Watching the Astro fanboys tie themselves into knots explaining this cheating scandal away is certainly a study in human psychology. | |||
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I never defended the Astros for what they did. I just don't believe taking away their title is the right course of action... | |||
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