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But how do you stock up a supply of medicine for such a scenario?

You can't.

The primary medicines you'll need are anesthetics and antibiotics. Other meds for chronic conditions (e.g., insulin) don't have the shelf life necessary. All require prescriptions, and even with them, there isn't a good way to build up a large stockpile due to cost.

And eventually, you'll run out no matter what you do.

One of my clients had the means and clout to hire a certain highly specialized type of person to do cyber prevention work at a very high level from years of doing the same for a government agency before he retired.

One day the two of us were talking about scenarios where a country managed to sneak in a catastrophic attack or set off something that effectively made us a 3rd world country for a period of time. I asked what he thought would happen. He replied that government plans on restoring partial normalcy within 3-7 days but that's not always possible so there will be riots, looting if some normalcy isn't back in 3 days. 72 hours is what most people can tolerate before they start to panic and do crazy shit.

He thought that people who buy land or a container to live in off the grid were kind of delusional and somewhat funny. That's because you can't prep your way into forever living off the grid while society comes back and eventually, sooner than later, you will come out off the mountain or out of your hiding hole.

You will need TP. You will need meds. You will need food, soap, cooking supplies and other things you used every day before the world went sideways. You aren't going to give those up for forever and he thought most preppers didn't have this fully figured out.

His advice was to stay at home, keep 30 days of stuff on hand and if forced, shoot people who came in from outside your neighborhood to steal from you or your neighbors. He was also concerned about decay and rot from dead bodies that eventually, would have to be buried. Water runoff from the decay would pollute water sources.

This is why, he said, government works pretty hard to make sure nothing bad happens but if it does, to restore functioning within 3 days.

I’m sorry but your friend’s analysis of the governments ability to restore anything near normalcy in 3 days is full of shit. FEMA and the National Guard can barely get off their asses in that amount of time and if the catastrophe were to happen in a major city the looting and general chaos would happen within 1 day. Look, even with advanced notice like a hurricane’s landfall in a relatively small area (50 to 100 square miles) they take weeks if not months. If something happened on a larger scale or to a major city or cities all bets are off. Then if something were to happen without warning, which seems more and more likely we would turn into downtown Mogadishu very quickly.

I have just finished reading the trilogy starting with One Second After, which I will Karma here shortly, and in a national emergency where power were to go out for an extended time places like Florida with its high heat, humidity and elderly population would be written off completely. Can you imagine no AC or meds? People would literally die by the tens of thousands daily.. Then disease would set in…

With almost all of the components in medicine coming from India and China, any major disruption would mean a lot of people are going to die. We would soon be living like it was 1900.

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:
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But how do you stock up a supply of medicine for such a scenario?

You can't.

The primary medicines you'll need are anesthetics and antibiotics. Other meds for chronic conditions (e.g., insulin) don't have the shelf life necessary. All require prescriptions, and even with them, there isn't a good way to build up a large stockpile due to cost.

And eventually, you'll run out no matter what you do.

“You can’t” is way too broad of a stroke…

In reality, in some cases at least, the answer is “you can”… the question is more a matter of the specific medicines you may need and what… allowances you are willing to make to accomplish your goals.

As others have mentioned, there are companies now who specialize in this sort of thing. Jase Medical is where I started and since I ordered a basic antibiotic kit they seem to have greatly expanded their offering of medicines other than antibiotics…

My immediate family works hard to avoid medications are rarely use any at all… but I still wanted a cache on-hand of life-saving meds. The thread linked earlier was mine and discussed some of them. Essentially I settled on a broad selection of antibiotics, drugs to help with nausea and vomiting, anti-diarrhea medication, and some methods to help treat allergic reactions (though we have no known allergies at this time).

For antibiotics, I settled on 2 complete courses per immediate family member per drug as my starting place. As courses of antibiotic can vary depending on person and ailment, I had to decide what ailments I figure are of most concern and then do some research on the dosing. For this layperson that took some work. Between purchasing a Sanford Antimicrobial guide, discussing the specifics with a MD who happens to be similarly minded and a friend, and utilizing the PDR app and webpage, I came up with some numbers. That is my starting place and I am halfway to hitting those numbers and expect to be fully there within a month.

In addition to the above mentioned, I also see value in some NSAIDs. Tylenol and Ibuprofen are easy and cheap on Amazon. A friendly MD may be willing to help you out with something like Celebrex… a 90 day supply plus a few refills will go a long way to building a supply, especially if it isn’t something you generally use anyway.

Baclofen is a non-controlled muscle relaxer that maybe useful… again, it helps to have a MD friend with similar outlooks.

As far as methods… there are ways… fish and avian antibiotics are probably the most common way. They are available via lots of online resellers. Dr. Joseph Alton (Doomandbloom.net has a book about using these aimed for the lay person)

https://fishmoxfishflex.com/

There are cheaper ways, though, that also include a lot of non-antibiotic medications as well. I saw a link in a different thread about ivermectin and it led me to trail that I investigated… Indiamart. If you are serious about wanting to build a cache of medicines and are willing to make some allowances, it is worth looking into. It’s big-boy pants time.

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With almost all of the components in medicine coming from India and China, any major disruption would mean a lot of people are going to die. We would soon be living like it was 1900.

That is what I was thinking when I posted.

Think about EVERTHING you use that is made in China, if we get in an armed conflict with China most of those products will be affected.

Maybe for years or forever.

Another vote for Jase Medical. Happy customer here, it isn’t cheap… but neither is our health.