I wonder what percentage of killings are the result of "mutual combat."

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
I wonder what percentage of killings are the result of "mutual combat."

Thunderdome!

Hmmm... When I investigated things that turned out to be mutual combat, it made things easy. I arrested everybody who participated!

So dueling is once again legal?

I'm all for it.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2...lash-between-the-two

Foxx, Lightfoot announce gun charges tied to deadly Austin gunfight that caused a public clash between the two

Only one man, Thomas Dean, has been charged in the Oct. 1 shooting in the 1200 block of North Mason, even though police initially sought murder and battery charges against five people.

By Tom Schuba
Updated Feb 10, 2022, 7:58pm CST

Months after publicly clashing over a deadly shootout in Austin, Mayor Lori Lightfoot and Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx appeared together Thursday to announce gun charges against a man who was wounded in the gang-related exchange of gunfire.

Thomas Dean, 20, was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon after he was found with three guns used in the shooting, according to police. Foxx said at least one was a “machine gun.”

At the time of his arrest, Dean was facing three additional gun charges in a separate case, Cook County court records show.

No one else has been charged in the Oct. 1 gunfight in the 1200 block of North Mason that left one of the shooters dead and two people wounded, including Dean. Area 5 detectives had initially sought to charge five people with murder and aggravated battery, but they weren’t pursued by Foxx’s office because of what she described as a lack of evidence.

The rejection sparked an ugly back and forth between Foxx and Lightfoot. The mayor warned that a lack of accountability could “send this city into chaos,” while Foxx claimed Lightfoot had her facts about the shooting wrong.

On Thursday, though, the two leaders presented a unified front as they have regularly in recent weeks.

“Today’s charges are an example of how the system works through collaboration and the fact that we are all working together to keep our communities safe,” Foxx said. “And I’ve said before, and I will continue to say, the Cook County state’s attorney’s office will make charging decisions based on the facts, the evidence and the law — no matter how long it takes to get the result.”

The investigation remains open and more charges are expected “in the coming days,” Foxx said, noting that a search warrant was approved for another suspect.

Lightfoot said the message being sent Thursday was “accountability,” despite the fact that many of the people involved in the brazen shootout have so far not been charged. Pressed about that, she insisted that officials “will work diligently to bring those accountable to justice.”

“We are not going to let Austin or any other neighborhood turn into the wild, wild west where people are not held accountable for what they do,” she said.

The shooting stemmed from an internal dispute between factions of the Four Corner Hustlers street gang. Caught on police surveillance video, it played out like a scene from an action movie.

At least three people linked to the gang’s Body Snatchers jumped out of two Dodge Chargers and started shooting into a home, according to a police report and a source with knowledge of the incident. Members of the Jack Boys faction who were inside the home fired back.

Brown said Dean was wounded and dropped off at a hospital, although neither he nor Foxx would comment on whether Dean is seen on the video being shot.

Dean was previously arrested in December and later indicted in that case on three counts of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, court records show. He has pleaded not guilty to those charges and was free on bond.

In addressing the rift over the case, Lightfoot also sought to highlight her partnership with Foxx and their common goals.

“I believe our unity comes from our individual and collective commitment to do everything possible to both prevent crimes from happening in the first instance, but also that when something does happen, to be relentless in bringing the perpetrators of the crime to justice. And that’s what I think these charges today are really all about.”

Chicago+Lightfoot+Foxx+Gangs+Shootings=No charges or Dropped Charges. Did we expect something different?

“ “We are not going to let Austin or any other neighborhood turn into the wild, wild west where people are not held accountable for what they do,” she said.”

Hahahahahaha! Who does she think she is fooling with this bullshit? Much of the city of Chicago is a free fire zone; does she really think people don’t notice things?

I guess dueling is back in style then. Does that mean I can hand a pistol to any liberal Chicago politician and say "pace ten steps that way, turn and..." ?

“We’ve got to get these guns off the streets. Guns are our biggest problem. We’ve got to control this violence! My legislation will get these guns off our streets once and for all.

Lemuel Washington, DeMarcus Johnson, Omar Stagmire, Otis Taylor, D’Ante Montigue & Ebony Jones were among the wounded and unable to identify the other shooters or aid the CPD with any information.

Mayor Lighfoot is opening an investigation and promises to share her results with those that need to know.

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“We can’t live in a world where there is no accountability,” the mayor said. “When there’s no accountability, meaning individuals who wreak havoc, who fire indiscriminately or fire at a target but without any regard for the sanctity of life and the health and well-being of others, if they do not feel like the criminal justice system is going to hold them accountable, we’re going to see a level of brazenness that will send the city into chaos. We cannot let that happen.”

Newsflash Mayor - that ship sailed a long time ago.

So where does the Twin Peaks assault on bikers by police fit in?

That is what happened and the final conclusion. We don't have to support bikers, drug runners or even Twin Peaks - ok 2 out of 3 - but the conclusion of "mutual combat" wont stand in court any more than "shoot thru the door" did.

How many of us would expect our local non metro police chief to declare a local shootout in the parking lot of Walgreens at 2AM to be "mutual combat?"

I thought dueling was outlawed. Is it or not?

I will also point out that a certain group of individuals seem to have adopted the same code of honor that Jim Bowie adhered to in his day. Men would meet on the field of Honor to sort out insults to ones reputation and character.

I see no difference in the basic elements involved. No comment about the irony tho.

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
“We’ve got to get these guns off the streets. Guns are our biggest problem. We’ve got to control this violence! My legislation will get these guns off our streets once and for all.

Lemuel Washington, DeMarcus Johnson, Omar Stagmire, Otis Taylor, D’Ante Montigue & Ebony Jones were among the wounded and unable to identify the other shooters or aid the CPD with any information.

Mayor Lighfoot is opening an investigation and promises to share her results with those that need to know.

Hmmmmm, let's look at the above statement, I can guarantee that the county I live in has more guns per capita then all of Chicago and none of this shit happens.

But of course everyone knows this but is afraid or not politically motivated to talk about the real reason for the violence in Chicago.

Collin county stats
https://www.livestories.com/st...ult-deaths-mortality

15 May 2023...

Then that dumb twat is out of here.

"Accountability"? Bitch, please...
You held no one accountable for the riots in the summer a few years ago. Well, no one but the Police- "if you are a victim of, or witnessed police brutality, please contact COPA at-"
Yet, said NOTHING to the rioters.

You're in the camp with Foxx, Evans and Preckwinkle... "Too many black and brown people in jail", now, all of a sudden when crime is out of control all over the city, and you're being called out on it by a bunch of people that matter, you're putting up this facade that you're all about enforcing the law... Fuck off, bitch.


In the article- the "victims" of the shootout didn't know who the "offenders" were.
BULLSHIT! They knew exactly who was in the car / house shooting. They know 99% of the time. They don't say shit because they want to handle it amongst themselves. "Yesterday's victim is tomorrow's offender" is a common phrase used.

She doesn't want this place turning into the Wild West.... Tooooo fucking late. We're one hot summer away from being Mogadishu with running water.
Violence was accepted in places like Austin, Englwood, Roseland... Now, it's all over. Places like Edgwatter, Lakeview, the Loop, Gold Coast (the high rent districts) are being hit rather hard. Taxpayers don't like being stuck up or car jacked.

One of the bad things is there's no measures in place so Chicagoians can recall this toad. Another thing is- the County RE-ELECTED Foxx. (But she rand against someone with an (R) behind his name, and up here, (R)'s have about the same chance as Kuinta Kinte at a Merle Haggard concert)

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Originally posted by dewhorse:


Hmmmmm, let's look at the above statement, I can guarantee that the county I live in has more guns per capita then all of Chicago and none of this shit happens.

But of course everyone knows this but is afraid or not politically motivated to talk about the real reason for the violence in Chicago.

Collin county stats
https://www.livestories.com/st...ult-deaths-mortality

Here's ours-

https://heyjackass.com

That's not Cook County, that's just Chicago.

It's a real shame we don't have real leaders in positions of authority who want to do their jobs without being patted on the back or have future plans to be something more like a -judge, senator,etc.. I am not saying it is wrong to have aspirations, but when prosecutors want to pad their profile/conviction rates, that is a problem that needs to be dealt with. I have been involved in a few cases in which were plead down to nothing, in which I can only think has to do with someone's statistics in the prosecution. I am talking about "dead to rights" cases which shouldn't have top be plead down and the punishment was laughable. We all it isn't going to change in some areas but it would be nice.