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Aged Ethanol gas E85 E10 vs non ethanol gas, tested. | ||
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Ammoholic |
Cool. Thanks for posting! Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Gone but Together Again. Dad & Uncle  |
That was a very interesting video - thanks for sharing. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Good video. In summary, ethanol is crap. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Out of curiosity, how long will marine diesel last? Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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I've used non-ethanol fuel that was five years old, stilled smelled great. Stored in airtight, metal containers (NATO cans from Rover.com). This video is just another thing to make me pissed at the government and their mandates. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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I beg to differ. With the right Tune and a supercharger an Ethanol blend can make for a good bit more horsepower. Ethanol has higher octane and acts to cool the intake charge when it's blended into gasoline. So, take a turbocharged engine, swap in a larger Turbo, fuel it with an E50 or E60 blend, and add even more fuel with a Methanol/Water injection system. End result can be a dyno tested 380 WHP out of a 1.6 litre 4 cylinder. BTW, non believers can do a search on Youtube for Fiesta versus Hellcat and see a puny little 4 cylinder humiliate a 700+ HP Hellcat. I've stopped counting. | |||
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Too clever by half |
Actually, the headline for me is fuel stabilizer is crap, something I've always suspected. I'm curious why he chose the Lucas stabilizer, when Stabil is, I believe, the most popular stabilizer. I'm not sure if the ingredients are largely similar or not. This may or may not be an indictment of all fuel stabllizers. "We have a system that increasingly taxes work, and increasingly subsidizes non-work" - Milton Friedman | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Perhaps, but, for the average Joe or Jane, driving more typical vehicles or boats, or fueling our non-superchaged yard and snow equipment: Ethanol sucks. Ethanol is one of the biggest, most egregious scams ever perpetrated on the public. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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My testing was far less scientific. After I switched to non-ethanol fuel in all my yard equipment, I haven't had to replace a carb on any tool since. Never again will ethanol fuel be used in any of my equipment. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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^^^This. And if you want real power, drop a supercharger or large turbo on a good motor, fuel it with regular non-ethanol fuel with a good octane booster added, and hit it with a 150hp shot of NOS. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Apples/oranges for someone who is aware of what you can do with ethanol, meth, and tune great. For my lawn equip. I want the option of E-0, but I don't know where to buy it close to home. What gas do you put in your FiST over winter, or do you DD it? If you aren't DDing it, I'd suggest flashing back to stock and filling with lowest E fuel you can find to winterize it. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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For small engines here is your strategy. never use ethanol fuel. non ethanol fuel is easily available and while expensive the amount small engines need makes this possible economically. Bigger engines that are seasonal, run whatever. Prior to storage run them with non ethanol fuel mixed with a small amount of two stroke oil mixed 50 or 100:1. The amount of protection this gives is unbelievable. FWIW> “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| Too clever by half |
Do know for sure, but my anecdotal evidence is several years, in my case 5+ years at one point when I really didn't use my boat much other than to live aboard, and I have a box truck with the same tank of diesel since 2014 that starts and runs fine Diesel can suffer from water contamination, generally water condensing on the inside of the fuel tank, and that water can support biological growth, so a good fuel/water separator and an additive that kills the microbes in the water is necessary particularly when the diesel turnover in the tank is small. "We have a system that increasingly taxes work, and increasingly subsidizes non-work" - Milton Friedman | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Lawn mower shop by my house sells what I think is a quarter gallon of the E-0 Stuff ($9.99)and suggested the exact same thing, get the 2 cycle instead of 4 cycle. Says it might smoke a bit on first tank, but it will save carb, hoses, and other components. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Too clever by half |
Sources for ethanol free gas My closest locations are not exactly convenient to me, but I take a gas tank with me when I travel. Also note the disclaimer in the middle of the video where he states that "modern fuel injection systems designed for ethanol fuels don't experience this type of corrosion since they are made of metals, seals, and rubber that's not effected by ethanol." "We have a system that increasingly taxes work, and increasingly subsidizes non-work" - Milton Friedman | |||
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I am unaware why canned non ethanol fuel for small engines is unavailable in VA. I have seen it in stores just about everywhere else. A quick search shows that almost every major chain I expect to have it shows availability in VA. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Years for sure, but after a while the diesel will actually form a gel like substance on the surfaces of the storage tank. But again, that might take years. Our biggest concern though are microbes forming in the fuel which left untreated can begin to clog fuel filters, injectors, etc. We combat that with a biocide treatment. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
Non-ethanol fuel is NOT easily available in my AO--the nearest station is 50 miles away and I'd use 4 gallons of gas on the round trip to get it. It's not worth the trip. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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| Ammoholic |
I had not known of such a thing until yesterday. I was talking about at the pump. If my local lawn mower shop sells it I'm sure other places do. It was news to me. Brought lawn mower in because I hit property marker I didn't know was there. Actually didn't even ask about gas, was the guy in line in front of me that asked. I always just ran dry or filled to the brim for winter in the past. If I hadn't ruined my mower, I'd try it this year. Bent crank shaft. Guy tells me it'd be $270 to fix $500 mower, run it til the wheels vibrate off or motor destroys itself. Said mine wasn't bad, would still last at least a season, if not 2-3. Now I have a wobbly motor at idle, but mostly normal at cutting speed. I was happy with results. Two more wacks long ago on prop marker would have saved me a bunch of heartache. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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