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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I've never been a huge proponent of the push to provide naloxone to everybody that can thinks they should have it. I wrote a program for my old PD, at the request of the chief, but they didn't finish it and get it on the road until after I left. But in a lot of places anybody can get it for free, and police agencies carry it. Why should police carry Narcan, if they don't carry epinephrine, atropine, glucagon, D50, or flumazenil? Those drugs actually are required to save people's lives. Narcan is not immediately required to save them. All people have to do is give rescue breaths until an ambulance gets there, and let it be their problem. But the one drug that police across the nation are being trained to use is Narcan (not that I think they should have to use any of them--just pointing out the silliness of the situation). That's an aside to this article, which is kinda local for me. I'd say this should have been predictable. http://www.wsoctv.com/news/loc...ck-to-life/580740050 Rowan County isn't a big place. It's got about 140,000 people. That's one big WTF. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | ||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
"A rush"? The only feeling you get from Narcan is the absence of opioid in your system. And withdrawal symptoms, if you're dependent on them, meaning instantly "dope sick". Seems like bad journalism. Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
I take it to mean the new rush is knowing they are going to OD, and hoping they get Narcan'd before they die. But I fully agree that 'bad journalism' is just as likely  Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
The police would be able to carry all of those medications plus more if they didn't insist on carrying guns, pepper spray, Tasers, handcuffs, radios and body armor.  God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Narcan is for the child that ACCIDENTALLY finds medication.....let God take care of the junkies and addicts. "No matter where you go - there you are" | |||
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I thought social work was part of their job description as First Responders. Maybe they could hand out pamphlets on how drugs are bad. The Mississippi Governor announced today a new program that was termed battling Opiate addiction. I was surprised since the state just cut the budget for addiction and mental health programs. Later in the article it read that the MHP would undergo training to administer Narcan. Another misguided attempt by government, to try and solve a problem created by the Pharmaceutical Industry in the mid 90s. | |||
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That's what I wanted to say but lacked the eloquence. ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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Well.....I'm agnostic so loosely translated I mean "Let em die". "No matter where you go - there you are" | |||
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Now you guys have done it. Que up the "I hope it never happens to your family" or "Why Little Johnny can't quit and you guys are monsters" in 3, 2, 1...... | |||
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| Help! Help! I'm being repressed!  |
I look at narcan being carried by cops more like an IFAK. If I am exposed to fentanyl during my duties as a LEO I want to have it readily available and have my coworkers trained to administer it to me. http://www.nydailynews.com/new...yl-article-1.3170821 | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Your point is not wrong, however narcan is not needed in those situations. Rescue breaths every 3 to 5 seconds by the other officers until the fire dept or EMTs get there works just as well. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| Freethinker |
Ah. More unintended consequences. I was thinking, “I’m glad I have no responsibility for anticipating such things,” but then I realized that it wouldn’t make the slightest difference if a few far-sighted people did. Once someone gets an idea that enough people think is a good one, they take on an unkillable life of their own. But I am curious how it is that the pharmaceutical companies are to blame for opioid addiction. Does that mean the gun and ammunition manufactures are to blame for the murder rate?  I’m so confused.As an old guy, I’m also starting to wonder what effect this crackdown on opiates might have on me. If, for example, I develop cancer, will doctors be unable to prescribe the painkillers that would make my passing a little easier? But I guess it is more important that other people be kept from doing what they want to their bodies. ► 6.4/93.6 “ Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.” — Immanuel Kant | |||
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NO. Not a good analogy. Purdue Pharma marketed Oxycodone as a long acting drug that was not addicting for patients in pain. They convinced Doctors of its safety and it was prescribed frequently. Prior to Oxycodone, opiates were not prescribed much at all. A few top executives went to jail as a result. Thousands of Americans are addicted to opiates, and this is the result. For those interested in the role of Big Pharma here is the link to one story. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05...ness/11drug-web.html | |||
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Well could we just give Narcan to the drug addicts that were "turning their life around" when they OD'd? I always hear that when the reporter interviews a family member of a overdose "victim" so that could be a sign they can have some. OK, maybe not. GGF | |||
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I am like sgalczyn and Skull Leader. My narcan is primarily for me. Was testing substances the other day and kept my narcan close. I was safe. It was only cocaine. Not minority enough! | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
Drug addicts are the new victims of society. Take this twat, a teacher who brought drugs to school... http://www.oregonlive.com/clac...ers_arrest_when.html now she's somehow a victim. here is the original report about her, before the news media decided they loved her: http://www.oregonlive.com/clac...on_teacher_arre.html . | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
I guess if you want to be kissed by your coworkers every 3 to 5 seconds, it's just as good. NOT that there's anything wrong with that... (Ducking and running) Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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It's a sad state of affairs when Narcan is needed so often. I just read that 1/3 of all Americans have use opiates within the last year. What happened that so many people need a mind altering substance to get through the day. Sure there are people that really need it but everyone that takes it thinks they need it. | |||
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Yeah, I've got to go with BS on that one. Something that happened years ago might have set the stage in a small way, but it isn't responsible. Saying that somehow they are responsible is right on track with blaming guns for violence. It ignores many key factors such as the lack of desire for society to hold people responsible for their actions, the death spiral of the US mental health system, the moral decay of personal responsibility, thirty years worth of a lack of parenting, eight years of NON STOP creation of new rationalizations of why these people are victims and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, and a broken justice system that doesn't seem interested in incarcerating people for breaking the law. Outreach isn't the answer here. But, by God, it isn't working because we just haven't thrown enough of your money at it. Despite the fact that these people do not care about the risks they are taking, so it is money down a well. And anyone who refuses to want to spend the money on it is a monster. | |||
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| When you fall, I will be there to catch you -With love, the floor |
Does the level of training needed to administered nthose drugs the same as Narcan? | |||
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