I don't see how there is a dispute whether on a Sig that better accuracy is likely in SA vs DA. When there is no time pressure it is a no brainer to use SA to maximize accuracy at challenging distances.

The question was in relation to an active shooter scenario. Naturally then there are an infinite number of variables to consider in the moment in any actual situation. Whether then to plan ahead in one's ground rules to click the hammer back to SA requires considering what the likely details will be.

We do revert to training and practice under high stress. You transport category pilots will recognize "V2, V2, V2" as the internal thought process during an engine failure at takeoff or single engine missed approach. That is about all the flying pilot's brain can manage. He's not tuning in new comm or nav frequencies or making calls back to the flight attendants. In an active shooter scenario, the good guy ccw brain power will be down to "aim, front sight, aim, front sight" and that's about it.

“Would you cock the hammer to get into single action to give yourself a higher chance of being accurate at distance?”

This is the pertinent post in his original post. There are 2 avenues that this sentence potentially takes and where this thread has gone.

The first is a tactics question. Would you do something that you really don’t train for. It flies in the face of train like you fight. It also causes people to stick doggedly to their preconceptions. To stick to how you train is a great idea. To refuse to do something because that isn’t exactly how you trained (not exactly uncharted territory either though) to do something that might give you an edge. I leave this question to others because I went down the other avenue.

Does SA tend to produce more accurate results? I think the answer is obvious. Of course it does. Nobody shoots PRECISION shooting sports with a longer heavier trigger, ie DA. This thread has kind of floored me though. You have a bunch of guys absolutely insisting at extreme handgun distance they are 100% confident 5hey would shoot better tighter groups double action over single action. I think that is nonsense but to each their own. It would be really easy to put to the test.

In my experience I have never seen anyone (maybe I have but I don’t recall it) in Precision shooting sports, bullseye formal or informal, silhouette, etc willingly choose a DA trigger for extreme accuracy. Never. Once again the question is extreme accuracy at the limit of your ability wherever that is. And yes Mikulek does but let’s just say he’s a unicorn. Lol

PPC revolvers are double action.

Now I know you are just screwing with me. Lol. You ever see one of these matches?

The rules only require DA shooting at the 25 yard shots. The 50 yard shots by rule can be either SA or DA. I don’t remember what the shorter stages allow (7 and 15). So your comment makes no sense since the rules actually require a DA revolver (if you are in the revolver classes) for a portion of the match hence PPC revolvers by definition and rule have to be DA.

When guys do the 50 which if I remember is sitting, prone, and supported by a barricade most guys absolutely thumb cock to SA because the long range shots while timed, are pretty fucking generously timed like 2 or 3 minutes.

My club used to run these. I am still surprised they can rustle up enough guys to shoot these matches. Snooze fest.

Ever see a silhouette match? That is the definition of precision handgun shooting. Those stages went long and very tough. Nobody shot DA. Nobody. They shot out to 100 and I believe 200 meters. Talk about the dodo bird of matches though. I haven’t even heard of anyone shooting those for years. My club shot a rimfire version though that was pretty fun and challenging. Nobody shot that DA usually either.

I might not have the exact rules of PPC correct by I have the gist of it. Police Pistol Combat revolver classes were tricked out revolvers but still were basically police revolvers at heart. They had to be DA by rule but the rule didn’t require you had to shoot DA, certainly not for the long stages. Feel free to correct me if I have the basic facts wrong.

I was reminded of this thread over the past few days.

I have been doing a lot of dot drill shooting with my (semi)precision 22 LR rifle, a Ruger 77/22 with Lilja barrel. As I mentioned in another thread, I struggle with being consistent: position of the rifle on the supports, pressure of the butt against my shoulder, stock weld pressure, position and pressure with my trigger hand are all things I try to not vary from shot to shot. One other thing was also bothering me: how I pulled the trigger.

In addition to the other modifications I’ve made to the rifle, I long ago installed an aftermarket trigger that was to provide a lighter pull weight and more crisp letoff—and so it did. My trigger weight gauge doesn’t measure below 2 pounds, but the pull weight was less than that. So I should have been happy with the upgrade, right? In fact, though, I wasn’t.

The problem was that the pull weight and the lack of any slack or creep meant that I didn’t feel I had much, if any, control over what was happening when I decided to fire a shot. Way back it was target shooting dogma that the shooter shouldn’t know when a shot would break, but if that’s still taught, it applies to certain types of shooting. With positional shooting when the gun isn’t supported by artificial means the goal is to minimize movement to the extent possible within a certain error zone just using one’s body control and fire a surprise shot within that movement area. I did that for some years, but I haven’t shot like that in a very long time, and trying to do that with the upgraded trigger in my Ruger left me feeling that I should have more control.

As a result I decided to dig up the old factory trigger and reinstall it. After the swap, today I fired 150 rounds in 1/2 inch dot drills at 50 yards. Even though I was shooting from as firm a bench rest setup as possible, I still struggle with all the things I mentioned above—except for the trigger pull consistency. The reinstalled factory trigger pull weight is a touch less than 6 pounds and has noticeable creep. It consequently took a bit of adjustment to become accustomed to the difference between it and the aftermarket trigger I had used for a long time, but I did adjust in a short time and now it’s just the way I like it.

As for results, I can’t say they were spectacularly better than yesterday’s, but I had fewer gross “Where the hell did that come from‽” flyers (like the first upper left dot below). In addition it was windy today, plus about half way through the session I changed my emphasis on maintaining a fixed point of aim for all shots to trying to adjust for my impacts; that met with mixed success. And of course none of those other things I mentioned struggling with above have changed. As I work on them, though, it will be with a trigger whose characteristics fit my shooting methods much better than the snap like an icicle I had before.

The obligatory photo of one target set: