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Austin, TX joining San Francisco/LA - Allowing homeless to 'camp' on city sidewalks and vacant lots

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July 01, 2019, 12:39 PM
BamaJeepster
Austin, TX joining San Francisco/LA - Allowing homeless to 'camp' on city sidewalks and vacant lots
I'm gonna bet they won't be allowed to 'camp' in city council member's neighborhoods.

Your homeless population is about to explode Austin.

https://www.statesman.com/news...but-not-at-city-hall

Camping comes to Austin public spaces — but not at City Hall

After emotional testimony last week regarding homelessness in Austin, City Council members rescinded prohibitions on camping on public property. Starting Monday, so long as they are not presenting a hazard or danger, people will be able to sleep, lie and set up tents on city-owned sidewalks, plazas and vacant non-park space.

Except, not in front of City Hall itself.

City Hall building guidelines implemented by former City Manager Marc Ott in 2012 disallow anyone from using the outdoor plaza, covered amphitheater or raised mezzanine from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. unless a city meeting is going on inside. The rules specifically prohibit sleeping, camping, storing personal property and erecting tents.

City spokespersons confirmed this week that the camping prohibition remains in place. City Manager Spencer Cronk said in a text message that staffers are reviewing the policy, but did not indicate whether he intends to rescind it.

Mayor Steve Adler said Friday that he does not think the City Hall camping ban should be immediately rescinded. He said it should be reviewed as staffers seek to identify, by August, the places where people should and shouldn’t be allowed to camp in Austin. Adler acknowledged that some business owners objected to the ordinance changes out of concern about the impact people camping in front of their businesses could have, but he said they shouldn’t consider the City Hall ban to be hypocritical.

“I think the businesses in our community want staff to focus on the broader question in our community regarding where people can and can’t camp,” he said. “I’m sure included in that discussion will be city properties, properties along Congress and elsewhere in the city. We can’t do everything all at once.”

Adler would not say whether he thinks the City Hall plaza and amphitheater are appropriate for camping.

“You could come up with a list of 20 different locations and we could go through the list,” he said. “The appropriateness of any locations really need to be understood in the context of all the locations.”

Other areas where camping remains banned include any city park space, under Austin Parks and Recreation rules.That includes downtown green spaces as well as trails and greenbelts such as along Barton Creek.

In an email he sent to all Austin Police Department staffers Friday morning, Chief Brian Manley included training bulletins outlining how to enforce the revised ordinances. He noted for officers that “the building use policy that governs the use of City Hall’s grounds also prohibits camping at City Hall.”

Manley’s email also noted that Cap Metro bus stops and some city parking lots have specific prohibitions against camping. City staff members confirmed APD also has a policy regarding camping outside its building, but could not immediately produce a copy of it. Any camping ban there did not appear to be enforced on a recent afternoon, when a man slept unbothered on the front steps of police headquarters while Manley held a news conference nearby.

During its June 20 meeting, the council also removed prohibitions on panhandling and sitting or sleeping in public. Manley’s training bulletins outlined that officers responding to complaints regarding those issues may only consider whether a person was acting aggressively or obstructing a right-of-way in a dangerous or intentionally reckless way. He ordered officers to track all calls related to the new ordinance and whether they were able to take enforcement action.

The City Hall property includes a large plaza fronting the building’s entrance, with a non-operational fountain, benches and raised, shaded space. The one-story, covered amphitheater includes wide, terraced steps and a flat mezzanine at the top. That space is often used for political rallies and news conferences.

Ott banned camping there after Occupy Austin protesters, allied with the Occupy Wall Street movement going on at the time, set up camp outside City Hall for months in late 2011 and early 2012. Kathie Tovo, the only current council member who was serving at the time, said Friday that she had forgotten that the camping ban ended up in city rules.

Tovo said she would need to think more about whether camping in front of City Hall should be allowed. She noted that she opposed removing the Occupy Austin protesters at the time, because she thought their political expression was important, but said cleaning and security associated with their presence cost the city.

Tovo and Alison Alter were the only council members to vote against immediately allowing camping citywide. They instead asked to make the ordinance changes in August, once staff members could identify locations where camping should and shouldn’t be allowed.



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July 01, 2019, 12:48 PM
Il Cattivo
The difference is that Governor Abbot is already talking about state preemption laws - which, in Texas, for Austin, is a well-trodden path.
July 01, 2019, 12:49 PM
maxdog
I live in a small town 20 miles away. We try to stay away from “The People’s Republic of Austin”. Already full of hipsters dressed in lumberjack drag who are cooler than thou.

Austin govt freaked when the legislature put limits on taxes. They raise property taxes the max amount each year forcing more people out as taxes become oppressive.

Muscians leaving. Once flourishing music scene moving away.

Soon to be a socialist California city style shit hole.
July 01, 2019, 12:54 PM
Il Cattivo
See, that's my theory. Austin's in hock for millions for some green belt that Kirk Watson insisted we go into debt to buy. The current hizzoner is raising hell because of the new law requiring voter approval for tax increases over 3.5%. If the homeless are camping in the green belts right next to the rich hippies' nice houses, and the Austin City Council can blame it on Trump and Governor Abbot, then everybody will vote Democrat, sign off on any tax increases the Mayor and Council wanted, and blame the Republicans. Oh, and if anything goes wrong in the meantime, they can all blame Austin PD whether APD deserves it or not.
July 01, 2019, 06:07 PM
flashguy
quote:
Originally posted by maxdog:
I live in a small town 20 miles away. We try to stay away from “The People’s Republic of Austin”. Already full of hipsters dressed in lumberjack drag who are cooler than thou.

Austin govt freaked when the legislature put limits on taxes. They raise property taxes the max amount each year forcing more people out as taxes become oppressive.

Muscians leaving. Once flourishing music scene moving away.

Soon to be a socialist California city style shit hole.
I'm going to be staying in a resort near Montgomery, TX for a week the middle of this month--is that anywhere near you? We could have a FTF?

flashguy




Texan by choice, not accident of birth
July 01, 2019, 06:24 PM
Rebel-22
Guess what, Austin? You will be attracting more homeless to your city with these nice accommodations.
July 01, 2019, 06:33 PM
Wishbone

July 01, 2019, 06:34 PM
oddball
I've said in the past, Austin is not Oakland, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle. Nope.

But it is different.



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July 01, 2019, 06:34 PM
tatortodd
Houston, Dallas, Ft Worth, and San Antonio should start busing the homeless to Austin. Houston already got caught busing the homeless to Dallas.



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July 01, 2019, 06:40 PM
erj_pilot
Austin was great up until about 10-15 years ago. It's been on a downhill route on the Libtard train since. Pretty much idiots over there. But then again, here in the Houston area, we have Ahhntie Sheila... Roll Eyes



"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
July 01, 2019, 06:50 PM
Prefontaine
quote:
Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Austin was great up until about 10-15 years ago. It's been on a downhill route on the Libtard train since. Pretty much idiots over there. But then again, here in the Houston area, we have Ahhntie Sheila... Roll Eyes


That’s because all the asshole Kalifornians decided to move here and turn Texas into Kalifornia. They infiltrated Austin first, because it’s libtard. But they have infiltrated DFW too, and San Antonio, and Salt Lake, and Denver. Where they migrate to, they fuck it out and ruin it. Taxes here are fucking ridiculous because of them. And traffic.



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July 01, 2019, 06:55 PM
Orguss
I doubt Austin will suffer as greatly as San Francisco simply because of the time of year. It's got to be hot as balls in Austin, right? Homeless get paid to migrate around the country and usually seek the best weather. And right now that means cool and refreshing San Francisco.



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July 01, 2019, 07:04 PM
RHINOWSO
I LOVE IT!!!!!!

The more of this LIBERAL LUNACY the BETTER!!!!


July 01, 2019, 07:23 PM
ChicagoSigMan
Liberals are just laser-focused on regressing civilization and turning cities into unlivable 19th century cesspools of disease and crime.

Well done!
July 01, 2019, 07:39 PM
MRBTX
Adler and his wife are loaded, truly a man of the people.

https://indyaustin.org/sale/?f...m92iLlCy2TNXOGwQf_Ww
July 01, 2019, 07:48 PM
nhtagmember
glad that Austin is finally getting to the condition its always wanted to be in

it must really suck to be a nice, clean, vibrant city where you could walk around unmolested, enjoy the bars and nightlife...

I wish them well on their rapid descent into the hellhole they desire to become.



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July 02, 2019, 07:05 AM
Fredward
I thought the bums were IN City Hall.
July 02, 2019, 07:12 AM
gearhounds
I love the repeated use of the word “camping” used by officials in the article. Camping. It sounds so wholesome, American even.

I cannot wait until the “campers” are panhandling, open air drugging, shitting on the sidewalks, and beginning to intrude into the beautiful people’s safe spaces.

Camping meant something completely different to me growing up.




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July 02, 2019, 07:58 AM
erj_pilot
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I believe the proper term would be "SQUATTING", and these low-lifes are doing that in more ways than one. Reap it, Austin! Roll Eyes [JSMH]



"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24
July 02, 2019, 08:27 AM
Jimineer
When I took the trash to the curb this morning it was 77 deg and about 80% humidity. It’s gonna smell real good in Austin soon.