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Thought of Para's thread on word games when I read this piece today. And I'll admit I had these thoughts in the past.

"A few weeks back I went online to RSBN to tune into the solemn and yet very enlightening funeral for Lynette “Diamond” Hardaway of Diamond and Silk fame. The funeral expenses were paid for entirely by Donald J. Trump, and the former President also attended the funeral, sitting alongside the Hardaway family.

I discovered that Silk possessed a very commanding presence of her own. While being somewhat eclipsed by the presence of her more animated Irish-twin, Diamond, it was evident that she could handily proceed with the Diamond and Silk brand in Diamond’s absence. I also learned a great deal more about the rich history of the Hardaway clan.

The closing speaker was of course, Donald J. Trump. He spoke about getting to know the Hardaway family, the Silk that he realized he didn’t know, and his commitment to addressing Black concerns. What was deemed most interesting in the President’s speech was when he humbly revealed that he didn’t know how to address us…. Black people.

At around the 3 hour and 50 minute mark the President reveals to the attendees that he always felt ignorant with regard to how to address the Black community:

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“I always used to ask -- what do you like better -- African American?... Black? You know there are many different terms. They said “We like Black” -- because I was always saying “African American.”


Upon hearing this revelation, I could not help but admire his willingness to admit that he didn’t know, as well as having the humility to ask. I’d never heard a politician ask before. This is what sets Donald Trump apart from politicians. He is not a politician. He has offered himself to Americans as a man of the people, and in keeping with that persona, he admitted that he just didn’t know. And how could he know? After all, in over a rather condensed period of time, we’d gone from “Colored” to “Negro” to “Black” to “African American.” I’d be confused too if I weren’t Black.

The truth of the matter is that as a Black woman in her sixties, I have never in my life -- not once -- heard a Black person refer to another Black person as “African American.” It simply isn’t a part of our common, day-to-day vernacular. If a Black person is telling a story about the guy at the outdoor produce stand, the Black person on the listening end might ask… “Which one... the Black guy?” He is not going to ask, “Which one, the African American guy?”

Moreover, when engaging Black people, I’ve never heard any other ethnic group refer to us as anything other than “Black.” It’s quite acceptable, and I’ve never heard anyone protest being referred to as such, as it relates to ethnicity.

So again, the White friend on the listening end is likely to respond in kind… "Which one...the Black guy?"

The question now becomes, where did this come from? Who ushered in the misnomer that “African American” was what the masses of Blacks preferred to be addressed as?

The answer to that question would be the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

I remember this quite clearly in the 1980s, but to validate my memory I’ll cite a 1989 article from the New York Times. This article reports on Jesse Jackson’s movement to refer to Blacks as “African Americans.” The article effectually reports that:

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“Some say they do not identify with Africa and resent prominent Blacks telling them what to be called.”


Therein lies a truth that has become evident in the age of the 2023. I am personally not averse to identifying with the continent of Africa, however, I found myself vexed by Jackson’s misguided, if not high-minded and authoritative, attempt to speak for us. I don’t even recall Jackson ever asking us what we wanted. In his highness, he simply ran with and projected his own desires.

What ultimately ensued was a journalistic colloquialism that was never in sync with grassroot Blacks. This vernacular ushered in by Jackson, has become the standard by which to refer to us on television, in print media, and in academia. It was not something that we asked for, and subsequently, we never adopted it. To be quite frank, I think it’s high time that it went away. As easily as the term Negro, and Colored vanished from our reading materials, the same can be accomplished with the dated and ultimately rejected byword, African American. Most of us prefer to be called Black. I personally adore the word. I consider it abbreviatedly powerful. In the end, the people have already proven that Jesse Jackson was incorrect in his assertions.

I applaud President Trump for admitting that he needed to ask because he wasn’t sure. It was refreshing. He also admitted to pondering if he should shed tears at the funeral if he felt it welling up in his spirit. But he concluded that the media would have a field day with it. What this tells me was that crying may have indeed been in his spirit after the death of Diamond, and perhaps he may have done so in private.

The more I see of President Trump, the more evident it becomes that he is not a manufactured automaton telling the people what they want to hear, and doing otherwise. He has profound moments of humility. He is listening to us. He seeks to execute change. He seeks to understand, and not render himself foolish or self-absorbed.

Thank you for asking, Mr. President. We prefer Black."

https://www.americanthinker.co...ng_mr_president.html



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I always use the word black and have worked with many blacks over the years to know this is the thing to say. At least based on the working relationship. I'd never heard anything different among them.




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I liked reading that about President Trump


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When they start referring to white people as European-Americans, then we can talk. Until then, I will ignore their inconsistencies and continue to use the term "black".

If you'll recall, some years ago, there was rioting and unrest in France, and one of the news agencies in Europe reflexively called several of the people who were injured (who happened to be black) "African-Americans".

That says it all.
 
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But do we capitalize it or not?




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I’ve said for decades, no way we will come together as AMERICANS so long as we are continually trying to subdivide as “X”-American this an “Y”-American that.

I’m always on the look out for someone bashing Mr. Musk so I can ask them “Shouldn’t we be supporting African-American immigrant entrepreneurs?”

The looks they give are priceless.


I also seem to recall some US politician (can’t remember who) stepping on his dick years ago while visiting England and referring to black British folks as “African-American”.






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By their logic and assertions, all mankind originated in Africa, I am therefore African and American. So, I am African American too. My pronouns are his majesty and highness.



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Have always used black and never had a black guy or girl show the slightest inkling they expected to be called anything else. It’s just another tool foisted upon everyone to try and sow division.




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Have always used black and never had a black guy or girl show the slightest inkling they expected to be called anything else. It’s just another tool foisted upon everyone to try and sow division.

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Growing up the terms were Negro or Colored. I was reading a newspaper from the 1960s and the terms were both used. Black and African American came later.
 
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I've seen dumbass Americans refer to blacks in France and England as African Americans.

The kicker was when I witnessed that ridiculous shit when I was on Safari in South Africa Roll Eyes


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I've seen dumbass Americans refer to blacks in France and England as African Americans.

The kicker was when I witnessed that ridiculous shit when I was on Safari in South Africa Roll Eyes


So they were calling South Africans, African-Americans? That is beyond hilarious.


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So they were calling South Africans, African-Americans? That is beyond hilarious.


Americans in South Africa. Yes they were.


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African-American is a heritage not a race. We have a local garage run by a family from South Africa now American citizens. Truly African-American and they are white.
 
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So they were calling South Africans, African-Americans? That is beyond hilarious.
Americans in South Africa. Yes they were.


Idiots.



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Growing up the terms were Negro or Colored. I was reading a newspaper from the 1960s and the terms were both used. Black and African American came later.
Same here. "Negro" is just the word for "Black" in Spanish and Portuguese. The classless used a different "N" word, considered derogatory (except when they use it).

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So they were calling South Africans, African-Americans? That is beyond hilarious.


Americans in South Africa. Yes they were.


I was coming here to make fun of this.

How about just Americans? Or black? It's silly, most black people's families have been here many, many, many generations longer than my family has. If we are going by lineage, they are way more American than I am. I think it's time we stop using the weird ass word as a society.



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"Negro" is just the word for "Black" in Spanish and Portuguese.
Yup.

I vaguely recall thinking, back when "negro" became declasse in language, and we all learned we were to use "black," instead, "But 'negro' means 'black.'"



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I vaguely recall thinking, back when "negro" became declasse in language …

Until around the late 1960s, early 70s, Negro was a perfectly acceptable, neutral term to refer to a black person. Some organizations still use Negro or colored in their names. I had an old World Book Encyclopedia (it was so old it ended with the Johnson administration) with a whole article entitled "Negro."

Most modern American black people have little or no connection to Africa. A comical, but accurate, look at this is found in the Sanford & Son episode "Lamont Goes African."
 
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By their logic and assertions, all mankind originated in Africa, I am therefore African and American. So, I am African American too. My pronouns are his majesty and highness.


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I generally don't use the word "black" but I positively eschew "African-American" as a descriptor for people with higher dermal melanin concentrations.

The reason I hate "African-American" is simple: the majority of those who claim to be "African-American" have never been to Africa. In contrast, I lived four of the most formative years of my life in Africa. The place is literally part of me. I am the first son of the only Caucasian I know of ever made an honorary Paramount chief by the Liberians. I have a love for the place that is strong, almost as strong as my love of America.





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