Removed to appease the OP question of stories of delay vs denial.

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Originally posted by Chowser:

When he filled out the 4473 I told him to put his social on it. When I ran it, it was an instant proceed. I went back to work and asked the four delays if they put their ssn on the 4473. They all said no.

So I wonder if that’s a thing?

I have never provided my SSN. The FFL has always received clearance while I am still writing on the 4473.

I'm a home based FFL. I've never seen the SSN do a bit of good.

If this continues, he should look at getting a UPIN.

Delay and deny are two very different responses. Delays usually go through. Deny means something is prohibiting him from owning a firearm (this is not good). Normally people know why but in 13 years of being an FFL two were due to felonies, one due to a warrant in another state from a very old arrest and one was due to identity theft.

The NICS appeal is a long process but he needs to start it.

Yeah I don't get why people are telling me all their delay stories.
None of that applies here.
Same with the "I have my conceal carry" - good for you. He does not.

He's already started the appeal process.
The purpose of this thread was to try and get an idea of how long this process takes and what kind of hoops he'd need to jump through.

I just bought a rifle yesterday, checking out a 375 Ruger. I ordered from Buds, shipped to a favorite FFL shop.

As I am able, I try to do the paperwork before any gun comes in. I thought it was good for a 30 day window? This way, any hiccups are absorbed before the gun arrives.

I do not have a common name, not sure if it helps but I provide my SS number. My credit is all froze up, so who cares. Ok, consensus is a SS doesn’t help any?

My SIL had hers denied turns out there was another person with the same name. She had to appeal it. She had to get herself finger printed to prove her identity. Finally after three months she was approved.

Medical marijuana cards are haunting people here in PA. Instant denial if you have a card even though the card is issued by the state.

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Originally posted by creslin:
Yeah I don't get why people are telling me all their delay stories.
None of that applies here.
Same with the "I have my conceal carry" - good for you. He does not.

He's already started the appeal process.
The purpose of this thread was to try and get an idea of how long this process takes and what kind of hoops he'd need to jump through.

So, I'll relate my story.

Many moons ago, when I was around 25, I went to buy a .22 rifle, and was denied. I had no idea why, but was given a NICS # and a phone number to call (Colorado CBI).

I called, and was informed I was a felon! I had never had a felony in my life, so wanted to get this straightened out. I had a traffic accident in CA years before, and the clerk (whom happened to be the mom of an ex girlfriend of mine) entered it in the computer as a felony, instead of the misdemeanor it was. Couldn't prove it, but it was now in the system.

So, I had to get certified copies of my record from CA, submit them to CA DOJ. Getting the damn copies from CA was like pulling teeth, but I did finally get them. Then I had to submit those copies to the CA DOJ, and have them accepted, and the CA record changed. Once that was done, had to have certified copies sent to CO CBI. Colorado was quick about it, changed my info, etc.

So, I went to buy the .22, denied again. Seems all this info must be sent to the FBI also, so the national database is updated. After I did that, I had a local cop run my name to make sure I was good. Came back clean, so I went to purchase the .22, and finally, after about an hour of CBI checking all the crap out in my file, I was clear to buy it.

All in all, it took me about 2 years. Granted this was in the late 90s, early 00s, so internet wasn't what it is now. Lots of back and forth with mail, no one giving any phone numbers out (CA DOJ, I am looking at you). It was a long tumultuous process, but I eventually prevailed, and have bought many firearms since then with no problem.

Hopefully your friend doesn't have a multi state process, or it can take some time. Good luck to your friend. Email me if you need any other info.

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Originally posted by Loswsmith: The key is that he needs to ask the FBI why so it someone can help him to understand the problem, if there is in fact one, and fix it for him.

The OP's co-worker should go through the process of getting his background check run by the FBI. This requires filling out the proper paperwork and sending fingerprint cards- the old-style ink ones unless they have changed the requirements.

When he receives the form back, it will show what the FBI is seeing when they process the NICS check. This will allow him to address the specific issue(s).

If he has initiated the appeal without knowing these details, he may need to do this anyway.

IME 9 times out of 10 the person receiving the denial knows exactly why.

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Originally posted by creslin:
Yeah I don't get why people are telling me all their delay stories.

This one time, on Sig Forum.........

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Originally posted by AH.74:


IME 9 times out of 10 the person receiving the denial knows exactly why.

I had a guy come back denied once and he asked me why. I told him all I get is "denied" on the screen and have no way of knowing why. His response " do you think the order of protection against me would do it?" Uh...maybe. The FBI called me the next day and I had to email copies of the 4473 to them.

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Originally posted by creslin:
Yeah I don't get why people are telling me all their delay stories.
None of that applies here.
Same with the "I have my conceal carry" - good for you. He does not.

He's already started the appeal process.
The purpose of this thread was to try and get an idea of how long this process takes and what kind of hoops he'd need to jump through.

If your state offers a concealed carry license, he could apply for that. The background check for that might give him some insight. I'm not sure how long the NICS appeal is taking these days. At one time they were not even responding to them.

After Biden took office, my DIL purchased a pistol with no issues what-so-ever. 3 weeks later, she went to purchase another pistol that she had seen in the display case while purchasing pistol 1. She got denied on that one. After all the appeals/paper work, the FBI responded that they showed an arrest for family violence that occurred back in the late 60’s when she was a juvenile. Never convicted and the charge was dismissed. The incident didn’t even involve a family member, but a neighbor kid (also a minor). Only choice would be to hire legal counsel and fight it in federal court (i.e. good luck).

I used to get delayed or denied all the time due to having the same name as some low-life in Michigan who was always in trouble. I applied for a received a UPIN from the FBI and have never had an issue since!

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Originally posted by Chowser:
When we were buying back our 31s, four coworkers got delayed and one got denied. The delayed ones cleared up by the next day. The denied one called and provided more info and got cleared. Common hispanic name. It happens to him every time.

Don’t know if this is an issue but he ordered a gun and had it sent to me. When he filled out the 4473 I told him to put his social on it. When I ran it, it was an instant proceed. I went back to work and asked the four delays if they put their ssn on the 4473. They all said no.

So I wonder if that’s a thing?

the Social is likely the Identifying evidence or proof needed to prove that they are not the person that is being denied,


I have been told that if you are denied, you should ask for a UPIN, and that will help,

every one I have run thru the system here in VA that had a UPIN was approved, after a delay

In KY, if you have a Concealed Carry of Deadly Weapons license, you skip the background check. The state police run you monthly anyway, and a NICS check "Proceed" is valid for 30 days. I trust the state police more than the FBI anyway. At any rate, it is helpful during high traffic periods and when NICS is down, which, surprisingly, happens fairly often. The permit also allows you to conceal any weapon legal to own in the state, knucks, switchblades, etc. Very handy, I often carry a blackjack.

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Originally posted by lyman:
the Social is likely the Identifying evidence or proof needed to prove that they are not the person that is being denied,


I have been told that if you are denied, you should ask for a UPIN, and that will help,

every one I have run thru the system here in VA that had a UPIN was approved, after a delay

I've told them to get a UPIN, but they went and got an Ohio carry permit instead since it skips the nics when doing the 4473

How well do you know your co-worker? Is there any chance of this, that the denial is legitimate and not a mistake? It could be something that happened a long time ago and was forgotten or not thought to be significant.

I he has the option of applying for a concealed weapons permit, he probably should do that. It will allow for the process of checking everything without the risk of getting a gun when you actually shouldn't have one. Plus, if there is some f-up somewhere, it's IME easier to fix.