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Republican senator: 'Nobody cares' about spending Fiscal responsibility? 'Yeah, I'm just over it' Republican Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee told citizens at a gathering in Chattanooga Thursday that Congress isn’t interested in fiscal responsibility at the moment, because voters aren’t either.  Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn. Noting that in the past he’s spoken a lot about fiscal responsibility, an audience member asked: “Are you just over it?” “It’s not going to happen. Yeah, I’m over it,” he said to laughter from the crowd. “It’s the most disappointing … it’s just not going to happen. The American people today are not interested in it.” Corker said that if a poll were done today, probably 6 percent of people would say they care about fiscal issues. “It’s just a fact. Nobody cares.” He added that “you’ve got a president who’s certainly not going to deal with it.” In an interview after the event with WRCB-TV in Chattanooga, Tennessee, the senator was asked: “It feels like you’ve just kind of given up regarding the fiscal spending issue.” He replied: “There are so many other issues that we have to deal with, and we’re fully engaged in solving problems every single day. I’m discouraged, you know, about the desire of our country, and the citizenry of our country, actually, to deal with the fiscal issues.” Corker said the problem is “on both sides of the aisle.” “Fiscal issues is not what the American people are focused on right now,” he said, “and, therefore, that’s not what Congress is focused on.” He said he still thinks it’s “our greatest threat,” but “there’s not the will today to deal with it.” HotAir blogger Allahpundit noted that in March, Corker said that if Hillary Clinton were president, congressional Republicans would at least pretend to care about cutting spending. But Corker ended up voting for the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill that passed in March after voting for tax cuts last year and then complaining that deficits are poison for the country long-term. Allahpundit noted Corker is not running for re-election. “When he says he’s ‘over it’ in terms of caring about fiscal responsibility, he’s not exaggerating for rhetorical effect. He really is! He’s got less than a year left in politics. He’s not fighting the tide anymore.” Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2018/05/rep...#ZKwAbAvEV8m3AKOq.99 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | ||
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Allahpundit has been smoking something if he, it or they think the Republicans in Congress would pretend to care, if Clinton were President. I suppose it could be accurate in the sense that opposing Clinton would involve opposing much of her nutty spending policies. Corker is right, though. Every dime of federal spending goes to someone, and all those someones are vitally interested in making sure those dimes continue to flow. Their representatives in Congress are made to believe it is in their best interests as well. An enormous percentage of federal spending is nondiscretionary, entitlements, interest in the debt, etc. Neither choice nor argument about it. Most of the rest of spending is essentially non-discretionary. Employees have to be paid, no matter how worthless. Under our generous employment rules, not many can even be let go. Those employees have to have workspace, buildings, maintenance, replacement. Soldiers and sailors and airmen must have guns, bullets, airplanes, ships, maintenance, replacements, strawberries, movies, projectors, bunks, tp, etc. Retirements are required expenses. We have come to believe that if you see something, say something. Too often we see a problem, write our Congressman demanding that the government “do something.” Solving all those somethings is costly. Our government is managed by bureaucrats who have as an article of faith that budgets and employees under management are the only marks of success. A department which suffers a budget cut is shamed beyond redemption. No effort is spared to avoid that. Nearly all Congressmen are against foolish or improvident spending. No Congressmen oppose investment in improving things, science, schools, roads, safety. What are you going to do? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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So Corker thinks it’s intelligent to just do what the mob/idiot masses think? Is he against the electoral college too? One wants an educated Congressman to use his/her best judgment to represent his constituency, not just do what they want when it’s the path of least resistance for the elected official. Douchebags like this are in need of a swift kick in the ass out of Washington. Thank God for our President, who knows the value of fiscal responsibility. | |||
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It was Corker himself who said that. Allahpundit was quoting Corker. "Allahpundit noted that in March, Corker said that if Hillary Clinton were president, congressional Republicans would at least pretend to care about cutting spending ." They (Republicans) pretended to care about run-away spending when Obama was President. They told us that the only way we (the voters) could do anything about run-away spending was to give Republicans the majority.
It does seem that the Republicans haven't learned LBJ's lesson very well.... OR aren't very different than the Democrats. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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”Our way” may not mean what you think it means anymore. Apart from nondiscretionary spending about which there is no choice, spending is how you pay for the privilege of continuing to hold office. Get a bunch of folk in there to turn off the money spigot, and see how long they last. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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You see... we hear that over, and over again... they can't do anything about it. It's all "non-discretionary". Well who has discretion, if not Congress? That's just an excuse. When the interest rate on the 10-year treasury note goes to 7% or so and the dollar loses it's status as the world's reserve currency, and it's no longer possible to continue on this path, they will find that they have plenty of discretion, which they do now, but don't have the will to use. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Are you suggesting that the United States of America might contemplate defaulting on its obligations? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I'm suggesting that it is within the power and discretion of Congress to reduce spending, and to balance the budget. There are several methods of default... including inflation, which is just slower than all of a sudden. Our children will wake up one day and say "This is not my debt, this is not my obligation." Yes, there will come a day when we default. Not in your lifetime or likely in mine. But we are imposing an unjust burden on people not yet born who have no say in incurring the debt, but will have a say in whether it is paid. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I suspect it is less of the former and more of the latter. | |||
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May 18, 2018 THESE 29 GOP SENATORS VOTED AGAINST BALANCED BUDGET PROPOSAL: The proposal was Sen. Rand Paul’s “Penny Plan” to balance the federal budget by 2023 via one percent annual spending cuts, with only Social Security exempted. Twenty GOP senators voted for it, 29 GOPers voted against, as did all of the Senate’s Democrats. “The bottom line is whether the debt is threatening our national security, whether it’s threatening the security and the economic foundation of our country, and I think without question it is,” Paul told his colleagues on the Senate floor. “This vote is a litmus test for conservatives. Are you a conservative? Do you think we can cut one penny out of every dollar? I think it is a conservative notion that we have long said we are for. Now it’s time to step up to the plate and actually vote what you say you stand for,” Paul continued. LifeZette’s Brendan Kirby took names, but it will be voters who will kick GOP you-know-whats. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/297130/ Swamp Wins! GOPers, Dems Unite to Kill Balanced Budget Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul gets just 20 Senate colleagues to back his 'penny plan' to eliminate Washington's annual spending deficits Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) was hoping his Republican colleagues would be embarrassed by their vote to jack up federal spending earlier this year and support his plan to phase in a balanced budget. Few were. Paul got 20 other Republican senators on Thursday — less than half of the Senate GOP caucus — to vote for his “penny plan,” which would balance the federal budget over five years by cutting spending except for Social Security by 1 percent every year. No Democrats back the proposal. “The bottom line is whether the debt is threatening our national security, whether it’s threatening the security and the economic foundation of our country, and I think without question it is,” Paul said on the Senate floor. “This vote is a litmus test for conservatives. Are you a conservative? Do you think we can cut one penny out of every dollar? I think it is a conservative notion that we have long said we are for. Now it’s time to step up to the plate and actually vote what you say you stand for.” Thirteen of the senators who voted "yes" on Thursday also voted with Paul against the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending deal in February to hike expenditures and eliminate caps that had slowed the growth of discretionary spending. These GOPers Opposed Balanced Budget Senators who voted against Sen. Rand Paul's "penny" plan: Senator, State Lamar Alexander Tennessee Roy Blunt Missouri John Boozman Arkansas Richard Burr North Carolina Shelley M. Capito West Virginia Bill Cassidy Louisiana Susan Collins Maine Bob Corker Tennessee Tom Cotton Arkansas Cory Gardner Colorado Lindsey Graham South Carolina Orrin Hatch Utah Dean Heller Nevada John Hoeven North Dakota Cindy Hyde-Smith Missisisppi James Inhofe Oklahoma Johnny Isakson Georgia Mitch McConnell Kentucky Lisa Murkowski Alaska David Perdue Georgia Rob Portman Ohio Pat Roberts Kansas Mike Rounds South Dakota Richard Shelby Alabama Dan Sullivan Alaska John Thune South Dakota Thom Tillis North Carolina Roger Wicker Mississippi Todd Young Indiana Source: U.S. Senate A number of conservative groups counted Thursday's vote as a "key vote" in ratings of lawmakers. They expressed disgust at the overwhelming vote against the budget. "Republicans only care about budget deficits when they're in the minority," said Jason Pye, vice president of legislative affairs at FreedomWorks. Mark Meckler, president of Citizens for Self Governance, agreed, saying, "There are very few sane people willing to have a rational discussion about fiscal responsibility … It's obscene. These guys are pigs in slop." Paul's plan would have reduced spending by $404.8 billion in the fiscal year that starts October 1. After the budget balanced in five years, spending would be held to 1 percent increases per year, resulting in a budget that was 14.6 percent bigger in 10 years that it is now. Paul's proposal also would have expanded Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) to let Americans save money, tax-free, for medical expenses. Republican defense hawks often cite Pentagon needs as justification for rejecting budget-balancing proposals. "People back home aren't buying that," said Pye. "This budget gave people a chance to redeem themselves. Unfortunately, they didn't." Added Meckler: "It's a joke. It's false." Even though Paul's bid failed, it did pick up the support of some senators who voted for the spending bill in February, including Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas). The others were Sens. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), Joni Ernst (R-Iowa), Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.). Pye noted that Paul also got more votes than he did for a similar proposal last year. "It suggests some Republicans feel bad about voting for higher spending and debt," he said. "I'll take it." https://www.lifezette.com/poli...ill-balanced-budget/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I might suggest the natural laws of economics supersede US politics. I see two major problems. The first is spending more than we make. I believe it was John Adams who said something like "there are two ways to conquer a nation, one is by the sword, the other is by debt". The second is paying people to do nothing (the safety net becomes a hammock). Such will be a disincentive to to non workers and also to many workers. More and more produce less and less. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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The “natural laws of economics” always drive the political. I recently read that there is only one economic system, capitalism. All the other “isms” are political, no matter how styled. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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I’ve said it before on this board, but I’ll say it again. I believe that he has cash to invest and no debt to service will be king when the house of cards collapses. Just like Detroit, the folks with a lot of cash to spend bought up everything cheap, developed it and are renting it back to the masses and making a killing. That’s what I plan to do on a smaller level locally eventually. Capital will be hard to come by, so cash buyers will be able to buy up as much as they can...and I don’t think there will be many with the cash. Save up boys. | |||
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Bingo. And the other "isms" are means to political power by controlling other peoples economics. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Yep. ... and the political usually means eating what you haven't produced and believing you have the right to control another human being. What this massive deficit spending represents is nothing less than inter-generational theft. You Work and Toil and Earn Bread, and I’ll Eat It So said Abraham Lincoln during his debate with Stephen Douglas at Alton, Illinois, on October 15, 1858. Lincoln distilled the politics of tyranny down to its very essence and applied it to tyrants of every age, whether they be kings, slaveholders or today’s leftists. You do the work and I’ll take what you produce. You are my slave. Unfortunately, the politics of tyranny are alive and well. As we watch the debates in Washington and, indeed, in every community across the land, what is the essence of the conversation? One group of people demand that another group “work and toil and earn bread” so that it can be taken and eaten by others. Is this not the very essence of slavery? All tyrants try to disguise their tyranny and use words like “fairness” to do so. They twist language to make tyranny seems natural and right. Yet it is not and never can be. The struggle between those who believe in liberty and self-government and those believing in regulation and redistribution is nothing more than the same eternal struggle between right and wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said so well: That is the real issue. That is the issue that will continue in this country when these poor tongues of Judge Douglas and myself shall be silent. It is the eternal struggle between these two principles — right and wrong — throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time, and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, ‘You work and toil and earn bread, and I’ll eat it.’ No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle. http://www.behindbluelines.com...read-and-ill-eat-it/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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 I think we just had this discussion a few weeks ago. For the record, I think local, state, and federal government spend money like drunken sailors and I certainly know about drunk sailors. However, if Corker, voters, and the rest of Congress don’t care about Economics 101 I’m not going to stay up nights worrying about this but there will be a price to pay and there is nothing we can do about it. | |||
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At least Corker is honest. All of them think this way, he's just the only one dumb enough to be honest. | |||
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