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This fall will be our first time at a deer camp with power. For several years we heated the camper with a Mr. Buddy propane heater, but it was stolen a couple of years ago. I was thinking about small electric heaters this year for those cold Georgia nights. Which puts out more heat those with plain resistive coils, or the ceramic heaters? The camper is 22 feet long.


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This is my time to do what I do whenever I see anything on here about space heaters....

Don't use them please. They are dangerous, google the words "electric space heater & fire" read through the first page or so.

I know nothing about the propane ones, but the electric ones put a huge stress on the electrical system of homes, I can only imagine it's worst on a camper and harder to make repairs.

In a home the reason it's so bad is that everything is rated for 15A (1800 watts) almost all space heaters are 12A (1500 watts) so you are running your circuit at 80% of capacity every time you run one (assuming you have no lights or other items on at the time). It leaves you five 60w light bulbs away from being at 100% capacity.

I use this analogy with my customers. Imagine your dream car, whatever it is. Say you and your neighbor happen to both buy one on the exact same day. You drive it to redline and skidding around every turn you take, your neighbor is an 80 year old grandma and drives it like you'd expect a grandma to drive. Which one do your think will have a catastrophic failure first?



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This is my time to do what I do whenever I see anything on here about space heaters....

Don't use them please. They are dangerous, google the words "electric space heater & fire" read through the first page or so.

I know nothing about the propane ones, but the electric ones put a huge stress on the electrical system of homes, I can only imagine it's worst on a camper and harder to make repairs.

In a home the reason it's so bad is that everything is rated for 15A (1800 watts) almost all space heaters are 12A (1500 watts) so you are running your circuit at 80% of capacity every time you run one (assuming you have no lights or other items on at the time). It leaves you five 60w light bulbs away from being at 100% capacity.

I use this analogy with my customers. Imagine your dream car, whatever it is. Say you and your neighbor happen to both buy one on the exact same day. You drive it to redline and skidding around every turn you take, your neighbor is an 80 year old grandma and drives it like you'd expect a grandma to drive. Which one do your think will have a catastrophic failure first?


You know, that has been in the back of my mind the whole time I've thinking about electric heat. Thank you sir, I'M off to the store to find a Mr. Buddy.


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The oil filled radiator type heaters are quite safe, efficient for electric and do a good job.

DeLonghi is a good brand for them.


 
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I wouldn’t use a Mr. Buddy, though I know you said you have successfully in the past. Carbon monoxide is just as dangerous as fire and the moisture from burning propane makes it feel colder in my opinion. Agree with the oil filled radiant type electric heater as the safest choice.


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Do NOT use an extension cord of any kind.


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We use a mr buddy in our camp. It’s a 10 x 30 loft in my barn that’s insulated. I also plug in a carbon monoxide detector in when I’m using it. The electric heaters including the oil filled never seemed to cut it during late November and December southern Indiana deer hunts.
 
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The oil filled radiator type heaters are quite safe, efficient for electric and do a good job.

DeLonghi is a good brand for them.


They seem kind of scary, not sure if I'd risk it. I'm sure they've gotten it all worked out by now, but I'm not a big risk taker. Their fire issues are not quite the same as I was talking about. Mine was more on the electrical system side, but product defects are definitely a concern too. Had a customer with brand new space heater from Costco rated at 12a drawing 22a once. Eek

Either way oil filled still poses same electrical concerns, but it does lower chances of clothing, furniture, or draperies catching on fire from being to close. 80% of circuit ampacity still.

Not knowing a thing about propane ones, I definitely agree with Phil, use CO detectors for sure.



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The oil filled radiator type heaters are quite safe, efficient for electric and do a good job.

DeLonghi is a good brand for them.


That's exactly what I use. If it has a thermostat, it rarely runs at 50% because it's just maintaining temp.


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Mr Buddy heaters have a CO2 shutdown built in. I’ve seen them work when using one in a confined space.

One of those oil filled electric heaters is what some tenants of mine used to burn down one of my houses. It wasn’t an electrical failure, but direct contact with a wicker basket. They do get hot enough to ignite combustibles. I believe that type of heater gives people a false sense of safety.

Having said that, I use one in my office on a 20A dedicated circuit, with it never set higher than 900W. It never gets very hot, and the plug stays cool.



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Do NOT use an extension cord of any kind.


Great advice! My house almost caught fire as a result of me not knowing this info.
 
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My older brother was an arson investigator for State Farm for 35 years.

Never leave a garage or porch light on. Birds can build a nest in it and it will catch fire.


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