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I didn’t post this at the time but I was on post trying to get my decals and some uniform items. Soon as I left my sponsor mentioned the were on lock down due to a shooting incident.

I don’t know whether it was RTC or Great Lakes, most likely the latter with GMs performing training on the range.

I also don’t know if anyone was seriously injured or wounded but I hope not.

With as many recruits and seaman coming through this location performing qualifications, it’s amazing there are this few incidents.

I’ll likely hear about it tomorrow when I report for my first day.





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What's the E1-E6 uniform these days? Crackerjacks or that USMC looking outfit?




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Working uniform is the green cammies.

Service is the khaki shirt and black pants, “peanut butters”

Dress is still the same old whites and blues depending on season and location, but, they finally gave us a zipper!





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… they finally gave us a zipper!


Next thing they’ll decide they need train you on using said sliding hasp interlocking toothed fastener.

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https://www.navytimes.com/news...on-great-lakes-dies/

Is this the incident?


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They were just opening the new live fire training facility right before I left. My last division was my only one that used it. All my other divisions only used the simulator. They had closed the old live fire range before I got there due to lead contamination.

I can’t begin to make a guess how they do it now. When they first opened it there were all sorts of controls. I had to drop off my division and leave the range. No ammo was broken out untill all the RDCs were off site. It was the only training event throughout boot camp that we could not attend.



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Great Lakes has had a rash of suicides lately. Only one of the victims was attending RTC, the others doesn't say what their capacities were other than the oddity that their deaths were very close in time. Suicides amongst recruits happen, often times there were not right in the head to begin with, whereas the other sailors had been in-service for some time with several rotations of fleet time.

https://news.usni.org/2025/08/...s-local-coroner-says
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A Navy sailor in boot camp at Naval Station Great Lakes, Ill., died Wednesday, the Lake County Coroner’s Office announced Friday.

Kayshawn Wilkerson, 18, died by an apparent suicide at a firing range, according to the preliminary autopsy report. It’s not clear from the release whether the firing range was on Naval Station Great Lakes, but local outlets reported the death happened on base.

Both the Naval Station Great Lakes fire and police departments responded, according to the release.

Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Lake County Coroner’s Office are investigating Wilkerson’s death.

Wilkerson was in boot camp at the time of his death, according to his official Navy biography. He enlisted on June 23.

The Navy confirmed Wilkerson’s death in a statement to USNI News.

“The Navy is providing full support to the family, friends, and shipmates affected by this tragic loss,” reads the statement. “An investigation into the circumstances surrounding the incident is underway. Out of respect for the family and to preserve the integrity of the investigative process, no further details will be released at this time.”

This is the fourth sailor to die by suicide while stationed at Great Lakes in the past few months.

Four sailors assigned to Great Lakes died between April 18 and May 14, USNI News previously reported. Three of the sailors died by suicide.


Chief Gunner’s Mate Daniel Dlask, who died on April 18, and Machinist’s Mate First Class Jacob Lavold, who died on May 14, both died by suicide, USNI News previously reported. Chief Damage Controlman Reba Miller died from complications of chronic ethanolism, also known as alcohol use disorder, with hypertensive cardiovascular disease as a contributing factor, Steve Newton, chief deputy with the coroner’s office, told USNI News.

Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class Makaio Bartley, 28, died on May 4 from a car crash. While the Navy told USNI News that it was not a suicide, the coroner’s office determined Bartley’s manner of death was suicide, Newton said.

Naval Education and Training Command directed an investigation into the deaths of Dlask, Lavold and Miller. USNI News understands Bartley’s death was not part of the investigation as of May 16. Rear Adm. Robert Nowakowski, the deputy commander for force development, will lead the investigation.
 
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They were just opening the new live fire training facility right before I left. My last division was my only one that used it. All my other divisions only used the simulator. They had closed the old live fire range before I got there due to lead contamination.

I can’t begin to make a guess how they do it now. When they first opened it there were all sorts of controls. I had to drop off my division and leave the range. No ammo was broken out untill all the RDCs were off site. It was the only training event throughout boot camp that we could not attend.


Were they worried that the recruits were going to shoot the RDCs?

So when there was no live-fire facility available, were they training and qualifying people using only a simulator? Or did that happen later on somewhere else?


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They were just opening the new live fire training facility right before I left. My last division was my only one that used it. All my other divisions only used the simulator. They had closed the old live fire range before I got there due to lead contamination.

I can’t begin to make a guess how they do it now. When they first opened it there were all sorts of controls. I had to drop off my division and leave the range. No ammo was broken out untill all the RDCs were off site. It was the only training event throughout boot camp that we could not attend.


Were they worried that the recruits were going to shoot the RDCs?

So when there was no live-fire facility available, were they training and qualifying people using only a simulator? Or did that happen later on somewhere else?


Yes. That is exactly what they were concerned with.

Closing the live fire range was an unexpected necessity. As I understood it, the base hospital had some cases of young children getting sick due to heavy metal poisoning. The common thread was their parents worked at the range on RTC. The investigation revealed that there was so much lead contamination that the staff was bringing home on their boots and uniforms. I don’t recall anyone dying or permanently harmed but the range was immediately sealed up.

It took years to design and build the new facility. For the Navy, the live fire training at boot camp means absolutely nothing. Anyone who is going to use a firearm will be trained and qualified by the command that they will be at. Sailors can go their entire career and never touch a firearm.

As for the suicide aspect, unfortunately recruits have been doing it as long as there have been boot camps. I cut shoelaces from a pipe with my pocket knife while I held a recruit's weight up off of his neck. Unfortunately, I wasn’t there for others.



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The investigation revealed that there was so much lead contamination that the staff was bringing home on their boots and uniforms.

Part of my safety briefing that I read at the start of every training session but which I have never heard mentioned by anyone else regarding shooting cautions:

“Lead is a toxic substance and when we shoot we’re exposed to lead. It is on the ground, on weapons, and on cartridges and cases. Avoid smoking or placing fingers in your mouth on the range and wash before eating. Anyone who is around children (or women who are or who might be pregnant) should seek additional information about lead exposure hazards.”




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