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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by Leemur:
Trying to make peace while calling people snowflakes is counterproductive.

Sometime people need to STFU. Now might be one of those times. So I will maybe you should too.

You should definitely take your own advice. Not sure why you felt the need to come at me.

I left NJ for Colorado in 1995 at the age of 21. I was still young, and not very worldly, but at that age even I could see NJ was a lost cause. NJ was, and still is, a police state. I am not anti-police by any stretch, but until you experience first hand the way NJ police treat you (at least norther NJ), you can't understand. I think NY police are the same. Not sure about other NE democrat controlled states though. I was surprised at the comment about (paraphrasing here) running away, rather than staying and fighting. You need to know when to hold 'em, when to fold 'em, when to walk away and know when to run.

My parents were forced out of NJ when they retired a few years ago and they moved to Virginia. Their NJ property tax bill was $12k per year! My sister still lives there, and I think she pays $10k. Here in CO I pay less than $3k for a 5 bedroom house on 2 acres! Colorado is slowly turning blue, and someday I may have to make the decision to move, but that time is not now. Although a few gun laws were passed a few years ago (magazine capacity, background check on private sales), we still have a long way to go before it becomes a democrat cesspool like NJ is. Although the democrats were able to get the Governor, State Senate and State House last year. That sucks.

Despite the reasons given in that thread for staying and fighting, I don't think that's the smartest decision, but to each his own. Property taxes are usually high, and that money could be invested. People are fleeing the democrat NE states like crazy, which has an effect on housing prices. Over a 10 - 20 year period, those two factors alone could make a huge difference in the amount of money a person has for retirement.

A few months ago I joined another forum, scuba diving related. They have two sayings over there that are gaining some traction, "Dive and let dive" and "Post and let post". I think it derived from the fact that people were getting into arguments over stupid stuff. If you don't agree with something, just move on. No need to get in someone's face over some innocuous post. I am really warming up to those two sayings.

Shut The Fuck Up only works on people who move their lips when they type.

If it makes anyone feel better they can call me names.

I don't think that anyone that posts on Sigforum is rooting for the left to win. If they did they would be booted out real fast.

We don't need to be tearing each other apart.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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It's a shame that you took crap from anyone in that thread for deciding what's best for your family and yourself.

Steadyhand took crap for having a defeatist attitude in the face of a successful rally. It's been asked numerous times on this forum to let people celebrate a success for at least a few days. I remember before Trump was elected forum members being told to knock off the defeatist BS and hand wringing. It's nothing new here. Some people are just never happy.

I think this bears repeating. Look at the number of people that COMPLETELY gave up in the original Trump's An Ass Clown thread.

The rolled over and showed their belly six months before the election. And despite their giving up, we won it anyways. I say it often, I believe that we have weak conservative leaders, because we have weak conservatives. Anytime you have any adversity go on, you have people that can't make it through the day without spreading doubt, and defeatism.


You know you own free space in someone's head when they call you a democrat, or even worse, a snowflake. Whatever issues this guy has, I hope he gets through them. I hope he gets help for whatever ails him.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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It's a shame that you took crap from anyone in that thread for deciding what's best for your family and yourself.

Steadyhand took crap for having a defeatist attitude in the face of a successful rally. It's been asked numerous times on this forum to let people celebrate a success for at least a few days. I remember before Trump was elected forum members being told to knock off the defeatist BS and hand wringing. It's nothing new here. Some people are just never happy.

I think this bears repeating. Look at the number of people that COMPLETELY gave up in the original Trump's An Ass Clown thread.

The rolled over and showed their belly six months before the election. And despite their giving up, we won it anyways. I say it often, I believe that we have weak conservative leaders, because we have weak conservatives. Anytime you have any adversity go on, you have people that can't make it through the day without spreading doubt, and defeatism.


You know you own free space in someone's head when they call you a democrat, or even worse, a snowflake. Whatever issues this guy has, I hope he gets through them. I hope he gets help for whatever ails him.

That may be true.But today conservatives are more united than they have been in DECADES. Look at the polls on impeachment. Let us all stick together and keep up the momentum. Attacking one another will not strengthen us. Steady hand was called a coward and he has responded. I repeat fellows we are on the same side. Let's call a truce for God's sake.

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Originally posted by wcb6092: But today conservatives are more united than they have been in DECADES. Look at the polls on impeachment. Let us all stick together and keep up the momentum. Attacking one another will not strengthen us. Steady hand was called a coward and he has responded. I repeat fellows we are on the same side. Let's call a truce for God's sake.

Amen to that.

Sticking together doesn’t mean agreeing with everything that is said.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Where you came from (MA) is a lost cause. Demographics prove it.

For all the members who still exist in states like MA, CA, etc... this is the kind of thing that is negative, divisive, and unnecessarily repeated much too often, by people who don't live in the given states.

VA certainly isn't "lost," and it was disheartening to here members jump to that. People "behind enemy lines" shouldn't have to put up with their homes being routinely disparaged.

If for no other reason, that the people who live "in enemy territory" or however you'd like to phrase it, are more likely to reach moderates and change minds than you might think.

We shouldn't be so quick to cede any ground as "lost." In my humble opinion, it can and will all be "rescued" some day.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Where you came from (MA) is a lost cause. Demographics prove it.

For all the members who still exist in states like MA, CA, etc... this is the kind of thing that is negative, divisive, and unnecessarily repeated much too often, by people who don't live in the given states.

VA certainly isn't "lost," and it was disheartening to here members jump to that. People "behind enemy lines" shouldn't have to put up with their homes being routinely disparaged.

If for no other reason, that the people who live "in enemy territory" or however you'd like to phrase it, are more likely to reach moderates and change minds than you might think.

We shouldn't be so quick to cede any ground as "lost." In my humble opinion, it can and will all be "rescued" some day.

And in other threads I’ve stated before that I feel for those that are stuck in places where their rights are being whittled away. Just search my prior posts.

As for MA, nearly twice as many people voted for Hillary as they did for Trump. We will just have to agree to disagree in that regard.

Efforts and money should be concentrated in places where there is still a fighting chance, such as Virginia.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
As for MA, nearly twice as many people voted for Hillary as they did for Trump. We will just have to agree to disagree in that regard.

Efforts and money should be concentrated in places where there is still a fighting chance, such as Virginia.

It's not a matter of agreeing, members who live in CA etc., shouldn't have to listen to a constant drone of how their state is lost, or a waste. I wager they're more aware than the rest of us, and they could use a break. To live among leftists, get to a gun forum and just get a different ration of shit, gets real old. We need people "behind enemy lines," and they need us.

It gets real old, just like the people determined to be disappointed.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:

It's not a matter of agreeing, members who live in CA etc., shouldn't have to listen to a constant drone of how their state is lost, or a waste. I wager they're more aware than the rest of us, and they could use a break. To live among leftists, get to a gun forum and just get a different ration of shit, gets real old. We need people "behind enemy lines," and they need us.

It gets real old, just like the people determined to be disappointed.

This is very true. I also get both sides of the issue. However, when great things happen such as Monday, it's nice to have a respite from the constant negativity we get bombarded with.

Well I didn't serve. So you and those like you including law enforcement, have my everlasting gratitude so long as you continue to defend the constitution and individual liberty. I would have a negative attitude too if I gave what you did and now stand to lose liberty because of it. You are a patriot to me so I think that buys some latitude.

“The distinctions between Virginians, Pennsylvanians, New Yorkers, and New Englanders are no more. I Am Not A Virginian, But An American!”
― Patrick Henry

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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:

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Originally posted by arcwelder:

It's not a matter of agreeing, members who live in CA etc., shouldn't have to listen to a constant drone of how their state is lost, or a waste. I wager they're more aware....

This is very true. I also get both sides of the issue. However, when great things happen such as Monday, it's nice to have a respite from the constant negativity we get bombarded with.

When it comes to things like terrorism, the people here are clearly onboard with the ideas of "It's better to fight them there, than to fight them here."

But with issues like this, their response is "sucks for you, you got what you deserve". Odd that they don't see the similarities and that they're next.

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Originally posted by cas:

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Originally posted by Shifferbrains:

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Originally posted by arcwelder:

It's not a matter of agreeing, members who live in CA etc., shouldn't have to listen to a constant drone of how their state is lost, or a waste. I wager they're more aware....

This is very true. I also get both sides of the issue. However, when great things happen such as Monday, it's nice to have a respite from the constant negativity we get bombarded with.

When it comes to things like terrorism, the people here are clearly onboard with the ideas of "It's better to fight them there, than to fight them here."

But with issues like this, their response is "sucks for you, you got what you deserve". Odd that they don't see the similarities and that they're next.

Virginia may be the turning point. If not now, then when?

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Originally posted by cas:
But with issues like this, their response is "sucks for you, you got what you deserve". Odd that they don't see the similarities and that they're next.

Yeah, you're not the only one for whom that's been thrown sharply into relief of late. I've found myself slack-jaw agog at some posts I've read here recently. I respect the membership, and I'm trashing nobody, but there's some heavy reality headed to some people who apparently have no idea what's coming. Virginia is a warning.

If you want allies to stay and fight alongside you, it's probably in your best interests not to call them cowards for their wanting to leave. More... persuasive terms might perhaps engender your cause.

Something too that I think is over looked because it hasn't born much fruit yet, is Trump's judicial appointments.

I haven't read the thread in question, I'm not a vet, nor a first responder, but I have lived in a state that was (and still is, to an extent) a lost cause. That would be Illinois. But due to a Federal court decision, they now have shall issue concealed carry. I became the "go to" gun guy, even though I now live in another state, for a bunch of people I didn't think were the least bit interested in guns. I missed a lot of range time over 20 years with good people because I assumed it was a lost cause to even invite people to go shooting. I left IL for a warmer, more gun friendly state because of career opportunities (my wife's, not mine).

Moral of my story is nothing is ever a lost cause, and leaving isn't necessarily quitting, sometimes it is just life's circumstances.

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Originally posted by cas:
But with issues like this, their response is "sucks for you, you got what you deserve". Odd that they don't see the similarities and that they're next.

That's something of a mischaracterization. The common refrain is "They got the government they asked for." Such statements are obviously not aimed at those who didn't want gun control or whatever the issue (e.g.: feces on the sidewalks), but at the majority that voted for the government that allowed, or even promoted, whatever it is.

Nonetheless, arc's noting "To live among leftists, get to a gun forum and just get a different ration of shit, gets real old" struck a chord with me. One may feel the area in which such members live is "lost," but, whether it is or is not, they don't need to come here and see it. They're living it.