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Ever heard of the EPA? They have new air standards, and old style fuel cans are not approved by the geniuses at EPA. So the cans are as good as they have always been. Its just the EPA that doesn't approve of their use in the USA as fuel cans. So they are fine for fuel storage. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Former small engine tech. I dont know who said you needed to change your oil once a day on a generator, but he is actually MUCH closer to reality than your 200 hours or once per year recommendation. On a small, gasoline powered home generator, that runs a small gas engine at 3600 RPM (which is 95% of the home use generators out there) the oil change interval is 50 hours if you don't have an oil filter, or 100 hours if you do have an oil filter. Some of the more expensive gas units ($3500+) or diesel units, will recommend 200 hour intervals. The vast MAJORITY of folks have gas powered units, without oil filters, and would fall under the 50 hour change interval. For the math challenged, that means you have to change the generator oil every two days use. Yes you read that right, you have to change the oil every two days, if you are running it 24 hours non-stop at your house, which a lot of folks tend to do. This is a quite a shock to most folks, as they change the oil in their car perhaps once every 6 months, and the oil in their riding mower perhaps every year or every other year. The vast majority of folks do not understand this concept and do not maintain their portable generators properly. Fuel dilution and heat is a big issue on these homeowner grade units. Not to mention oil consumption of several ounces per tank of fuel run, and you can very quickly find your engine dangerously low on oil, and the oil that is left is BEAT. And one final point, the engine manufactures tend to recommend 10W30, which is a wide spectrum recommendation generally suitable for use from a MN winter to an Arizona summer, with best case scenario maintenance. If a 3600 rpm gas generator is going to be used in a 95 degree FL summer, then 10W30 is not suitable. I use and recommend SAE40 or 15W40 in gas powered, Florida generators. 30 weight oils are marginal for the heat, consumption, and fuel dilution issues. So in conclusion, if you own a small home use generator in the south, you have to change the oil every 50-100 hours of run time, check the oil at every fuel fill up, and I highly recommend SAE40 or 15W40 oil. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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That one is $79.99 because of the CARB spout. There's no mention of Wavian in the 10L I have either. If you look at the single 20 liter "nato style can" and look at the pictures, and zoom in a bit, you can see it's a Wavian can. Of course you could just ask them.  _____________________________________________________ Sliced bread, the greatest thing since the 1911. | |||
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Oh man all this fuel can porn is making me weak! Sure, I've already got 6 NATO surplus cans, most from 1944, but 4 more Wavian cans would give me fifty gallons of storage. Must resist... Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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You're right, it depends on the engine for the maintenance schedule. The little Honda 2000watt recommends every 100 hours. Most of the generators I deal with are larger, generally 8kw-100kw. Some of the big ones call for a 400 hr interval or 1 year, most of the ones I deal with 8kw-30kw recommend 200 hours or 1 year. Most used to be every 100 hours or year, but the manufacturers have changed the interval to 200 hours in the last 5 or so years due to better oil (additives etc.). When running a loaded generator 24/7 you usually get much less fuel dilution. Fuel dilution is mainly caused by cold starts and a lightly loaded condition. | |||
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Yeah, like in order to buy the old style gas can nozzles without the spring loaded stoppers on them, they're labeled water jug nozzles. | |||
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I was cranky too when I went shopping for a new gas can last year. | |||
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The same embossing is on the 20 liter cans from Atlantic. | |||
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A good alternative (though slightly more spendy) is the Justrite type 2 safety can. Available in red (gasoline), yellow (diesel), blue (kerosene), and green (oils). Also in 2 gallon or 5 gallon sizes. And no CARB spouts to deal with. | |||
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I think I may just order some more. Is Deutsche Optik GTG? I'm thinking of ordering the four pack with the free shipping, but I'll have to pay shipping on a 5L can and the Dr Dittmer's Bavarian moustache wax, but what can you do? That site it quite the emporium. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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Deutsche Optik has expensive stuff. They've got the stainless version of this available too. $199. https://deutscheoptik.com/Stai...-NATO-Jerry-Can.html | |||
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I'll let you know in 7-10 days. I ordered yesterday, called this morning to get an approximate lead time, a human being answered the call almost immediately, then I received a follow up email an hour or so later. ETA: just received tracking info, I should have the cans by Saturday.This message has been edited. Last edited by: MikeGLI, NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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I received my cans from Deutschoptik. If anyone has questions or wants pictures, please let me know. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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re: geezer review of his collection of gas cans posted above: great visual of a host of complaints about the plastic fantastic spouts failures I've tried to endure over the last few decades. Recently spent months intensely shopping for suitable can/spout. I settled on the Wayvian which has exceeded my expectations. The original CALDOT/whatever spout authorities, while clever, FAILED within a few uses in my lawn tractor and spewed gasoline from the approved dipshit engineered slipjoint spout. The supplier sent me a replacement 'water spout' which is not constrained by bureaucrats and works perfectly. I will be replacing my vintage plastic collection. I have a couple vintage Jerry cans, used when I acquired them 40 years ago. The old flexible metal 'donkey dick' spouts that screw in are very difficult to locate. **************~~~~~~~~~~ "I've been on this rock too long to bother with these liars any more." ~SIGforum advisor~ "When the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change, then change will come."~~sigmonkey | |||
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For the DeutscheOptik cans, which is the right spout to get - the one that they sell with it or something else? | |||
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Standby, I'll get some pics that may or may not answer your question. NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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    This is the piece of shit plastic nozzle they sent.I emailed their CS about replacement. They were very responsive previously so I'm sure they'll take care of this. I'm not crazy about this nozzle and will probably look at making something or buying a flex nozzle to accompany this.      NRA Life Member Steak: Rare. Coffee: Black. Bourbon: Neat. | |||
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What's the final verdict here fellas? Go with Wavian, or GELG? Or is it six of one and half-dozen the other? Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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Do those cans have a reddish orange coating on the inside? I ask because the green one I bought from Wavian does not say "not for fuel use" on the side and has the coating (dosen't say "petrol" either). It is CARB certified for fuel when you use the CARB nozzle (I bought a standard spout from aBay UK). I wonder is Wavian builds cans different for different markets. | |||
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The Wavians I received from Atlantic have a full width weld where the handles attach to the cans, rather than the right and left tab welds as the GELG photo appears to show. Plus they're marked as being ok for fuel use and have an orange colored inside. Of course they're more expensive since Atlantic wasn't offering free shipping when I bought mine about a month ago, so you have to consider that too. | |||
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