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I recently posted in the "palpitations" thread about the Watchman device, which occludes the left atrial appendage, and is supposed to reduce the risk of stroke in patients with atrial fibrillation. A recent excellent Substack post by a cardiologist, John Mandrola, brought to my attention that these devices have NOT been proven successful in reducing mortality or ischemic stroke (from blood clot) risk. I asked Grok to verify this statement, and it did:
The bottom line is that the devices should be recommended only for high-risk patients who cannot tolerate anticoagulation. Now I go to inform my wife that the Watchman is not the solution we thought it was. Newer anticoagulants, e.g. Eliquis, are safer and more effective than warfarin, which was the original comparison in trials of the Watchman. So medications are likely safer overall. By the way this cardiologist, Dr. Mandrola, is an electrophysiology specialist, and he doesn't think much of ablation of atrial fibrillation--becasue unlike other ablation procedures, it is not curative. 70% successful each time, can be repeated. But the underlying AF which arises from the pulmonary veins is still there, just electrically "isolated" by scarring the tide around the pulmonary veins where they meet the left atrium. _________________________ “Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. –Daniel Webster (1782-1852)" | ||
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Thanks for the information, and the "bottom line". This supports the course my Dr. put me on and I have faith in him. I noticed that early this year, Watchman was buying a lot of advertising around here. Currently, very little (maybe none). | |||
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Thank you for the update doc. As a trauma surgeon I hate most anticoagulants and anti platelet agents and favor mechanical prophylactic devices since they don’t theoretically increase morbidity and mortality in trauma. As is often the case the latest greatest may not be the greatest longterm. Clearly there is still some indication for the watchman but definitely not as widespread as the manufacturer would lead you to believe. Build a man a fire and keep him warm for a night, set a man on fire and keep him warm the rest of his life. | |||
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Well, I guess I'll be having a conversation with my EP. As much as I'd like to get off Eliquis it might not be good idea. Thanks, really appreciate your follow up. "Nature scares me" a quote by my friend Bob after a rough day at sea. | |||
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January of 2025 I had a Cardiac Ablation. It took a bit of time but I have been 100% AFIB free since late May 2025. March 28, 2026 I went to the hospital for a Hemoglobin Crisis, it was down to 6.3. Cause was a combination of Plavix, and Xaralto. BTW got scoped from stem to stern and no obserevable bleeding site were seen. Also had the camera you swallow with no observable bleeding. The solution was a complete change in medication. I how take Eliquis and 1 baby aspirin. Watchman. I have 2 cardioligists at present, one a rhythm specialist and the other a general cardiologist. My rhythm specialist recommended the Watchman at one point. I got on Google and discovered that the average survival time for those with this device is only 5 years after installation. That was an absolute NO GO for me. At present weather permitting I am out at 7:00 AM for a 2-3 mile walk at a 17 minute per mile pace. BTW prior to 18 months of AFIB issues in 20-23 to end of 2024 I was able to do the mile in 13 minutes 25 seconds and average 14/30 for long distance. At 71 years old I find it difficult to build strength but I'm taking it 1 day at a time. Also learned to NOT push too hard, face plants really hurt. I've stopped counting. | |||
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I had PFA on June 4 after two failed cardioversions. Early 12 lead suggests Afib reduced but now have atrial mitral flutter. Amio 400mg and Eliquis for now. Will reassess this week but I'm thinking a revision is in my future. Amio reduced the HR but the side effects are nasty. | |||
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