For those with a bit of time and wish to hear a bit more on the research which led to development of the atomic bomb, this is a good video. Link to ANL 70th Anniversary Symposium.
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August 06, 2021, 09:23 AM
220-9er
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Originally posted by Jimbo54: Killed thousands but saved millions. A fair trade off I'd say.
Jim
My father was in the Philippines and they were preparing for the invasion, planned for early 1946. He always said it most likely saved his life.
Originally posted by Jimbo54: Killed thousands but saved millions. A fair trade off I'd say.
For those who want to dive further into this, I highly recommend listening to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast episode titled "Logical Insanity".
It talks about the rise of mass aerial bombing in the run up to WW2, its impact during WW2, and the next step into atomic weapons at the end of WW2, and delves into the "kill thousands to save millions" reasoning and the complexities behind the morality of the decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan.
August 06, 2021, 09:56 AM
220-9er
True. About 400,000 Japanese had already died in the firebombing and other strategic bombing but the worst was yet to come.
There would have been a total blockade and much more bombing before the invasion started at Kyushu and estimates were for up to 10 million Japanese war dead. Even women and children were being trained to fight with sharpened sticks and charge into enemy as cannon fodder.
There would have been a famine during and after that could have wiped out countless more. Even with the surrender, there was a huge humanitarian effort required to minimize the impact on the population. Had the war continued, the Allies would have been in no position or mood to provide those resources due to their own losses.
Not only that, the Soviet Union would have been heavily involved in places, leading to Communist occupation when the war eventually ended. That would have made the post war cold war era more complex than it already was.
How many times are we going to re-hash this subject? This subject has been covered many times in this forum. I contributed heavily to a couple of those threads. I just don't see the need for us to go over this again, with us addressing the same old tired arguments and misconceptions from people who don't know shit about history.
August 06, 2021, 10:17 AM
ZSMICHAEL
Thanks. Today happens to be my daughter's birthday. She is really sick of it.
August 06, 2021, 10:22 AM
parabellum
Just so there is no confusion- I want to see no more threads on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or even the Japanese government's refusal to apologize for their horrific actions of their military forces, from the 1920s through the mid 1940s.
And the United States owes nothing to the Japanese government or people, with regards to the dropping of those two bombs. You want someone to blame? Look to the Japanese government, the emperor, and military leaders like Tojo, who we executed in 1948. Blame Japan for Japan being bombed to shit.
This subject has been done to death here, and there's nothing new to add.
You guys want to read up on the subject? Here's the "anniversary" thread from last year. We're not doing this any more.
