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Originally posted by ArtieS:
228 DA/SA w/ MecGar 15+1. 16 shots then clicks.

Yep.

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
16 rounds, I'm assuming an automatic pistol, so it wouldn't go "Click click click"...this isn't the movies Sigmonkey.

A DA/SA pistol like a Sig P226/P228/P229/SP2022 would go Click-Click-Click.

A double action Sig P250 would also go Click-Click-Click.

A non-upgraded striker-fired Sig P320 would even go Click-Click-Click too.

This is Sigforum, SevenPlusOne.

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Originally posted by RaiseHal:
I guess people from the more liberal "west coast" have a different way of looking at things. Here in the great State of Georgia we tend to not tolerate thugs, especially those who try and hurt our civil servents.

Uncooperative suspect, wouldn't show ID, wouldn't get out of the car, drives away from the police at high speed endangering the public (like he was gonna get away in his pos car) refuses to give up after pit (you can hear his tires squealing as he was still trying to flee).

He killed himself by his own stupid behavior.

I saw a good shoot and professional behavior by the police just trying to do a thankless job and make it home safely.

I am asking, primarily trying to learn. I have no tolerance for thugs. Also I am on pain meds today, as I had bilateral inguinal hernia surgery yesterday. Might not be thinking clearly.

A legal shoot, but Bolton's family are looking to hit the Lottery.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
16 rounds, I'm assuming an automatic pistol, so it wouldn't go "Click click click"...this isn't the movies Sigmonkey.

A DA/SA pistol like a Sig P226/P228/P229/SP2022 would go Click-Click-Click.

A double action Sig P250 would also go Click-Click-Click.

A non-upgraded striker-fired Sig P320 would even go Click-Click-Click too.

This is Sigforum, SevenPlusOne.

What goes click? The trigger hitting the frame? Pff. That's not a gun going "click".

I've not handled a 320...

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Originally posted by c1steve
IMO this LEO, the shooter, most likely ended his career. What say SF members?

A voice is heard saying; “Was there a weapon?”
“No,” a deputy says.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:
2 - when asked if there was a weapon the cop did not say “no”, he said “no he was trying to ram us with his car”. The full answer identifies that there was a threat that justified the use of deadly force.

Citing the complete quote does offer a whole different slant to the officer's state of mind. I wouldn't say you were anti-LE, but quoting like that sure makes it seem as if you're just hearing what you wanted to hear while viewing the video.

As to the incident:
As soon as the suspect vehicle was pinched by both squad cars, you can hear the suspect's tires start squealing...he's trying to power his way out from between the cars. The suspect vehicle is a two ton weapon powered by something between 200-300 horsepower...that would qualify as a deadly weapon and justify the use of deadly force

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
What goes click? The trigger hitting the frame? Pff. That's not a gun going "click".

The hammer striking the firing pin, in the case of a DA or DA/SA hammer-fired gun.

In the non-upgraded P320, it's the sear resetting (IIRC).

The national news had the obligatory race baiters screaming for "justice" as was expected.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
He had a weapon, a 7,000 lbs vehicle. He already proved that he would use it by driving off.

Fuck that guy.

^^^This, all day long. It looked like a good shoot to me.

My guns go to slide lock when empty. So no click.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
What goes click? The trigger hitting the frame? Pff. That's not a gun going "click".

The hammer striking the firing pin, in the case of a DA or DA/SA hammer-fired gun.

In the non-upgraded P320, it's the sear resetting (IIRC).

On an empty gun? With the slide locked to the rear?

I won’t be on the jury, so my opinion is irrelevant.

Given that, the US Supreme Court upheld the shooting in the video below as constitutionally reasonable in the case Plumhoff v. Rickard

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8SVG_HYUa8M

Link to decision

https://scholar.google.com/sch...as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

There's not enough information in the liveleak video, and the moment of the shooting was censored.

Given the uncooperative nature of the subject and his actions leading to the shooting, the officers case is strengthened.

I don't see anything that indicates improper action was taken. The video cuts out clear evidence of proper action, but equally important is the lack of anything showing improper action.

Whether deadly force was appropriate, given that the subject car was pinned, is a matter of investigation.

In hind sight yes the officer may have used excessive force... but seeing that the driver had already used deadly force to attempt to escape and this for no apparent reason and was capable of still using excessive deadly force I'll side on the officer.

"you can kill someone real quick with a car and if you are capable of that how did they know what else the guy in the car was capable of... hell it's Georgia, I would assume he had a gun in the car with him."

Here in VA, use of deadly force is an appropriate response to actions that can cause serious bodily injury.

The belief that the continued threat of severe bodily harm or death to the officer or others exists and that the perp is capable of carrying out such actions.

Good shoot, and no excessive force.

All this could have been avoided if the suspect had simply complied with the request/instruction/demand for him to exit the vehicle. This culture of non-compliance is media driven. The courts are where questions of search and seizure legality belong, not on the street with every person stopped deciding for him/herself whether or not the officer(s) are acting lawfully. The media and the demagogues they pander to are responsible for this shit and the deaths caused, regardless of whether the actions of the officers are later deemed to be within constitutional restrictions.

All the hand-wringing over minutiae of each particular incident misses the most important issue that these cases have in common (the "Elephant in the Room"); and that's the fact that now more than ever, so many people decide that they are the arbitrators of what the justice system can do and they take it upon themselves to act on those decisions in the moment. Obama and his ilk encouraged this kind of thinking and are doing it today, when they say the Justice System is "fundamentally" racist and not to be trusted. If that's true, why the fuck should anyone trust any government entity? Why recognize any law, when those who enacted it aren't trustworthy, those enforcing it aren't trustworthy, and the courts aren't trustworthy?

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Originally posted by walker77:

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
The Officer clearly needs more range time and harder-hitting ammo. A shot to the bean & the thug is in critical condition?

Its not the movies. One shot won't necessarily kill a person instantly.

THIS guy took ELEVEN shots from two pistols - 7 + 4, before he lay him down to dah.........

Trying to run down a cop and gets shot.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Ding, ding, ding We have a winner Johnny!

Looks like a good shoot. But good from a criminal vs. civil perspective? I'm guessing the officers involved will not lose their jobs or get sanctions, but convincing a jury in a civil suit is another matter entirely. The police will likely settle and pay-out big-time to the deceased's family. Time will tell.

I think, as others said, the real issue is deep distrust in police such that a mini-culture of civil disobedience and disrespect to police often ensues, pushing tense situations into shooting situations. If the suspect had just obeyed lawful orders, etc...