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Originally posted by ElToro:...

Elon has the juice where he could encourage the local sheriff via a sizeable campaign donation or maybe know a guy who knows a guy at the FAA law enforcement division to have a chat about what stalking is and what that entails With this kid. Yeah what he’s doing is legal and it’s public data. But file it under raised wrong and just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.

I don’t believe that this is the law enforcement support that SIGForum advocates.

I’m amazed that a member advocates the ultra-rich using law enforcement officers to intimidate a citizen, far outside the bounds of the law, while in the same breath acknowledging the legality of the citizens actions.

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Originally posted by onegeek:
I’m amazed that a member advocates the ultra-rich using bribing law enforcement officers to intimidate a citizen, far outside the bounds of the law, while in the same breath acknowledging the legality of the citizens actions.

Fixed it for you.




Is that really how ElToro sees law enforcement? Just muscle-for-hire, that he can throw some money at to get them to do his bidding, then send them out to enforce his own likes and dislikes?

If so, I guess we can "file it under raised wrong"...

I think it's safe to say this kid is never going to work at Tesla. How many other tech firms won't hire him either, for tracking their CEOs or friends of CEOs? Sure somebody will hire him but will it be the best job he could have gotten?

I’m not advocating it at all. I’m just not naive enough to think it couldn’t and doesn’t happen. Hell. The Santa Clara county sheriff where in San Jose they want to do a gun owner tax, and Jesus Christ himself couldn’t get a CCW from the sheriff, the sheriff is under indictment for corruption for allegedly taking campaign donations for getting Facebook and Apple security and pro athletes a CCW approved. To imagine the richest guy on earth could make a call and get this kid scared strait is not hard to imagine at all. But thanks for your concern about my upbringing. Sorry it took place in the real world.

^^^ The Killer Jerry Lee Lewis got away with a lot, including suspected murder, because he owned the Sheriff in his town. Money corrupts people and many people have a price.

And this kid may just get a job because of this. Because he's clever and making money with it. Companies will want to be able to re-sell public data that costs them nothing to get. How it's packaged and presented is the product.

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Originally posted by onegeek:
How is Mary Schiavo an idiot? You simply expanded on what she said. It is public information. Exactly what about that makes her an idiot?

Everything about scary mary makes her an idiot. She was a clown and a fear monger when she held her office, and has turned into an attention whore since she left, staging events like carrying fake bombs through checkpoints then turning it into a media circus on the spot. She's invariably wrong, in everything she said, and no, I didn't expand on what schiavo said.

For one thing, the kid isn't tracking transponders, and it's not semantics; her assessment is wrong.

Schiavo is very well known in aviation for her antics, and for being an idiot. In every sense.

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Originally posted by onegeek:
The last paragraph says it all. Is this what everyone is so hurt about?
“As I read this situation, this young man came up with something very clever and he put it out there,” Ms. Schiavo said. “If Elon Musk wants to go anonymous for $5,000 and the kid wants a Tesla, that sounds like an offer and a counter offer.”

The kid didn't come up with anything at all. It's not innovative, not new, not anything worth remarking about. The only thing remarkable about the kid is his entitlement and chutzpah in thinking he's' got something. He doesn't. It's almost like taking a picture of someone's car in a parking lot and then trying to sell it back to them for forty grand. Idiotic. Entitled.

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Originally posted by onegeek:
The article says the kid already makes money off the info and his Twitter account. So the rather rude posters here think that public information of the rich should be specially and specifically made private and unknown?

Who has said that information of the rich should be unknown? What do you know about ADS-B? ADS-C?

Certainly public movement information is a security risk, whether it's a wealthy person, celebrity, government entity or military, politician, etc. Tracking flights shouldn't be as easy as it is, but it's dirt simple, and millions do it.

There ARE operators who are able to have information blocked. My employer does, for security, and for a damn good reason.

There are "plane-spotters" all over the world that track flights, report locations, photograph the airplanes, and post them online. For some of them, it's their life passion, and in some locations such as Europe, it's common to have a gaggle of people standing around the airport, many on ladders, with long lenses and expensive gear, snapping pictures and taking video of aircraft. This kid has his own version, but regardless of whether someone's aircraft ID is blocked on various web sites, tracking a flight isn't that hard.

I have operated in locations where even our radio callsigns were classified...and everyone knew who we were anyway, and what we were doing. For someone like Musk, keeping a secret is going to be a lot like holding sand with open fingers. That a college kid tried to extort him with public informataion won't affect musk much, but it certainly makes the kid look stupid. Not as idiotic as scary mary (her public nickname in the aviation community for many years now), but still an idiot.

Possibly this would be akin to paying background checking businesses to withhold publically available information about you. Maybe that actually happens in some regard. Possibly also the kid is an arrogant doofus who isn't as clever as he thinks he is. He's playing a game of trying to capitalize on "gotyas" with powerful people. That sort of work might be fraught with peril. Maybe they can find some "gotyas" on him.

Seems he’s potentially found something similar that asshole Zuckerberg’s business model of data mining and invading privacy but with none of the “let’s build communities” façade of benevolent bullshit.

If he can find a way to incorporate misinformation and get people to fight with each other on a global scale he really may be onto something.

He’s a creep just like the asshole who made Facebook.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
I have a client with a Gulfstream 650. Flies between the Bay Area and A mountain estate in another state several times a month and other places as well I’m sure. It’s owned by an entity that is owned another entity and then a third entity owns that. Entities are all registered to a big time law office address in San Francisco It would be a huge PITA and likely need confidential info leaked by somebody as well to actually track down the human under all that. Lastly he’s a pretty cool guy just quite wealthy. He’d probly be impressed but I don’t think he’d pay ransom.

This. There is no real privacy anymore, certainly not if one is flying private jets, but there are steps that one with the means can take to be less public.

Those steps would be worthless for someone who puts themselves out in the public as much as Mr. Musk does. If one spends much time saying, “Look at me!” then it is silly to whine when people do.

Shell companies and holding companies, dba registrations are the norm in aviation, not to hide the owners, but to insulate them in the event of a mishap; nearly any kind of mishap with an airplane, goes big. It's big news, public excitement, big lawsuits.

Attaching the owner to the airplane isn't that hard; it may be as simple as a spotter watching through a fence at each end as the owner regularly uses that aircraft, noting it's regular movements and doing the math. Once that's known, and it's very easy to know, then it doesn't matter how many entities are between the actual owner or regular passenger, and the registration.

At every airport where that aircraft goes, at some point the passengers have to embark and disembark. At that time, they're seen. Some come and go at night and have a car planeside, but they're seen. It's normal for many celebrities who can't take any public travel.

Some celebrities use fractional services where they're not tied to any particular airplane: they own a share, or their company or holding company owns a partnership share, up to a 1/16 of an aircraft, and they simply travel on it. It creates as much anonymity as possible, costs less, and provides access to a large number of airplanes. Most pilots who have flown celebrities in corporate, charter, and fractional aircraft have flown a variety of celebrities. Some are very private, some are outgoing, and some, you wouldn't know to look at them. In nearly all cases, discretion and privacy is an expectation.

With many of these clients, despite the best efforts, there's little real secrecy in their movement. Photographers hang out near their homes, their business, everywhere they're known to be, and their travel and movements are known and broadcast, in certain circles. It's business.

Well i guess musk could hire a couple of PIs for 5k and track every second of this kids life and then put it someplace very public.

Dont poke the bear, unless you can live with the results.

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Originally posted by ElToro:To imagine the richest guy on earth could make a call and get this kid scared strait is not hard to imagine at all.

I’d be more concerned that the call wasn’t to LE. Musk has enough money to make you disappear. I’m not suggesting he’d do it but he could.

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Originally posted by PeteF:
Well i guess musk could hire a couple of PIs for 5k and track every second of this kids life and then put it someplace very public.

Beat me to it. I just had that same thought moments ago.

Kid thinks tracking people and publishing the results is fine? Fine: Turn the tables on him and see how he likes it

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:

Musk has enough money to make you disappear.

He could put the kid in orbit.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I think this article provides insight into Musk.

Musk has an airplane and has no comment.

Then there’s the 19 year old college kid, making money off his twitter account, who claims Musk called him.

What insights into Musk did the article you posted provide to you?

Personally, I don’t believe for a second that Musk contacted this kid. He has nothing to gain by doing so. The 19 year old kid got his name in the paper though, didn’t he?

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
He could put the kid in orbit.

So can my wife, and it doesn't cost her a dime.

So could Ralph Kramden.

Just to the moon.

I heard about this kid a couple weeks ago and what I heard then was that he was tracking/posting the flight records of private planes belonging to executives/celebrities that were pushing the climate change narrative in order to point out their hypocrisy.

It's possible this article could just be an attack piece against him.

https://www.businessinsider.co...itter-account-2022-2

The teen famous for tracking Elon Musk's jet has a new target: Russian oligarchs

Avery Hartmans
Feb 28, 2022, 3:36 PM

The teenager who created a Twitter account that tracks Elon Musk's private jet has turned his talents to a new subject: Russian oligarchs.

A new account, called Russian Oligarch Jets, has started tracking the whereabouts of some of Russia's wealthiest business executives, posting when and where their aircraft take off and land. The automated feed posted its first tweet Sunday after the US sanctioned several members of Russian President Vladimir Putin's inner circle and pledged to hunt down and freeze their assets, including their yachts and mansions.

Russian billionaires are still crisscrossing the globe on private jets and yachts despite the sanctions, which are meant to financially cripple Russia's elite in retaliation for Russia's invasion of Ukraine. CNBC reported Monday that some of Russia's wealthiest business executives had started moving their megayachts to Montenegro and the Maldives, possibly in an effort to keep them from being seized.

And it seems Russian billionaires' jets and helicopters are on the move too. The Oligarch Jets account has already tracked several flights by aircraft owned by the Russian billionaire Roman Abramovich, including a helicopter trip in the Caribbean on Monday.

Another account was formed to track flights on planes registered to Putin and Russian VIPs, though Jack Sweeney, the college student behind the accounts, warned in a tweet not to expect it to be very accurate because there were several VIP planes and there wasn't as much available flight data in Russia as in other places.

Sweeney, 19, first made headlines last month after saying Musk offered to pay him to shut down his Elon Musk's Jet account. Launched in June 2020, the account relies on bots to scrape publicly available air-traffic information, but it rankled Musk. In a direct message to Sweeney, the billionaire Tesla CEO offered $5,000 to shut it down, calling it a "security risk."

Sweeney told Insider's Isobel Asher Hamilton that he countered Musk's offer, asking for $50,000 instead, but Musk declined.