I’d like to have one for vehicle reasons. IE, I don’t to tear up my damn seats. One of my vehicles has Recaro like seats, meant to keep you glued into the seat for cornering. If I do a track day the last thing on my mind is a car jacking. Just will never happen there. But when I drive it on the road, I’d like something other than the standard 3-4 o’clock carry. Appendix is completely out in those seats as well. Cross draw would work but I’m betting the availability is slim, and in versions of the pistols I use, probably nonexistent.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:

the pistol come out pointed at the carjacker. If you have a right-handed shoulder rig.

Not always. Two of my friends were targeted by would-be carjackers, in separate incidents. In both cases, the miscreants attempted to break in through the passenger side.

The issue with "presenting" when using a crossdraw holster is that a surprise move from an assailant facing you gives quicker access to the gun than when its carried strong side. Many crossdraws are set up to be worn forward (at 11 o'clock) of your left hip. Wearing strong side lets your right arm and elbow offer better protection to a holstered gun and a quicker reaction to a grab attempt. Can someone strip you of your pistol from behind? Absolutely! But they must reach under your arm or elbow to do so, provided you are not in a hands up position. Having your arm in place over the gun speeds your reaction to a grab attempt as opposed to having to move your hands to your crossdraw to protect your gun. All this said, if you can pick a good crossdraw that carries flat against your body and you conceal it well, grab attempts probably wont happen. You may also try wearing the holster over or very close to your left hip but this may hinder or slow down your draw. It comes down to reaction speed and distance covered. Which is quicker, reaching across your front to cover the gun, or down onto the gun?

Seat belts , how does that work with seat belts ?

Conventional wisdom from my days as a young officer held that crossdraw holsters made your gun more accessible to an opponent than to the wearer. A number of state troopers wore them in the 60's but Many agencies banned them. Working protection operations as a driver most of us wore horizontal shoulder holsters versus crossdraw.

I find shoulder holster carry so comfortable, in general, that I will grab another such holster for my P365. Shoulder carry would solve your car carry issues.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Conventional wisdom from my days as a young officer held that crossdraw holsters made your gun more accessible to an opponent than to the wearer. A number of state troopers wore them in the 60's but Many agencies banned them. Working protection operations as a driver most of us wore horizontal shoulder holsters versus crossdraw.

Yes, but we're talking concealed carry and not open LE carry.
So I think in answering my question above, Yooper mentions "presenting". Issues that may arise during the draw.
My initial thought is that in the 10 o'clock position, I'm protecting the gun w/ both hands and I can even engage someone w/ my strong hand.
Like "shoot me first" clothing, I just wasn't sure if this was an actual problem for concealed carriers or just carry over from tales of open carry.

If you are opting for crossdraw, its been my experience that the Xdraw holster is the one type of holster that is design dependent. You mention a 10 O'clock position for your holster. That may work for you, but now that I am no longer skinny, it requires me to reach over my gut to get to the gun. No joy for me, I need my holster to be a bit more toward the center of my body. The common belt slide is a pretty straightforward and time proven concealment rig. It just works for a wide variety of people and guns. The Crossdraw needs to be made in such a way that the belt loop (or IWB attachment) keeps the gun butt close to your body and at an angle that lets you get a proper grip. In other words, a good crossdraw holster is kinda hard to find. And a custom maker may have to work with you in order to get it right. I believe the worst option is the so called "3 slot" holster that supposedly will work in the crossdraw position. Often, it doesnt. If I want a new crossdraw, I will try the Andrews or contact Ryan Grizzle.

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