Senator Testor (D) MT is really really mad over the Tax Reform Bill
I just saw our Montana Senator - a member of the minority party - bloviating on the 10:00 news regarding the Tax Reform Bill. He was whining because he didn't have a chance to read the 500+ bill prior to voting. (as if he'd vote in support of it.) He was play acting like he was really pissed.
My wife and I - in perfect harmony - said "We have to pass it to see what's in it."
Mike
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December 02, 2017, 12:05 AM
Il Cattivo
Oh, hell, that was just the version that existed five hours before the vote. I'm sure he got every bit as much time as his Republican counterparts did to read the final version. Besides, as Pushing Turtle pointed out, every Senator will get a chance to read and vote on whatever the final, final bill will be that comes out of the House-Senate conference.
December 02, 2017, 12:08 AM
Gustofer
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Originally posted by mcrimm: He was play acting like he was really pissed.
Well, he's got an election coming up after all....
Baucus taught him well.
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December 02, 2017, 09:14 AM
Zecpull
I can't wait to see how many people are going to get a huge tax refund because of this... Then all the GOP needs to do is remind everyone that no democrats voted for it
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December 02, 2017, 09:46 AM
BigSwede
"Seriously, all of these Republicans can suck a bag of dicks. Shame on every son of a bitch that votes for this travesty of a "tax" bill. How in the name of all that's holy can anyone vote on a piece of legislation that is literally going to devastate millions of Americans when they haven't even read the damn thing?!? What a disgrace."
As seen on my FB news feed,I'm sure he saw the same news cast
December 02, 2017, 09:52 AM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by BigSwede: "Seriously, all of these Republicans can suck a bag of dicks. Shame on every son of a bitch that votes for this travesty of a "tax" bill. How in the name of all that's holy can anyone vote on a piece of legislation that is literally going to devastate millions of Americans when they haven't even read the damn thing?!? What a disgrace."
Haha, thats rich. So what did said poster think of the passage of Obamacare?
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December 02, 2017, 09:57 AM
BigSwede
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by BigSwede: "Seriously, all of these Republicans can suck a bag of dicks. Shame on every son of a bitch that votes for this travesty of a "tax" bill. How in the name of all that's holy can anyone vote on a piece of legislation that is literally going to devastate millions of Americans when they haven't even read the damn thing?!? What a disgrace."
Haha, thats rich. So what did said poster think of the passage of Obamacare?
He lives in the Manhattan bubble where Obama is a God. I had already posted that 10 second clip of Pelosi and said nothing else
December 02, 2017, 09:57 AM
FN in MT
Tester is just another soon to be replaced old Democrat. At least if the people of Montana have ANY sense at all.
December 02, 2017, 10:01 AM
Skull Leader
He feeds the Ag lobbies. He'll more than likely be re-elected.
December 02, 2017, 10:05 AM
pbslinger
You can tell it's great by who opposed it.
In the words of crazy uncle joe: "Its a big fucking deal!"
Possibly all along all we had to do to keep American companies from going overseas was to reduce the corporate tax rate. Maybe its too late but if we'd have done that 30 years ago. I've concluded the powers that be including globalists want our jobs to go overseas or they'd have prevented the exodus. Spread the wealth and all that.
The hit to high tax blue states if the final bill included loss of these deductions is huge. It may curb the drunken sailor spending in those states as the citizens should riot when the full impact of these taxes will be realized instead of mitigated by federal offsets.
I never looked at like this before, but it seems allowing state and local taxes to be federally deducted enables states raping their citizens with outrageous taxes. They'd never have been able to do what they've done without the federal offsets.
December 02, 2017, 10:11 AM
Gustofer
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Originally posted by Skull Leader: He feeds the Ag lobbies. He'll more than likely be re-elected.
I agree, unless somebody better than Troy Downing gets in the race.
Incumbents are re-elected 97% of the time. It takes a tough fight and a great candidate to beat them odds.
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December 02, 2017, 10:19 AM
sigcrazy7
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Originally posted by pbslinger: You can tell it's great by who opposed it.
In the words of crazy uncle joe: "Its a big fucking deal!"
Possibly all along all we had to do to keep American companies from going overseas was to reduce the corporate tax rate. Maybe its too late but if we'd have done that 30 years ago. I've concluded the powers that be including globalists want our jobs to go overseas or they'd have prevented the exodus. Spread the wealth and all that.
The hit to high tax blue states if the final bill included loss of these deductions is huge. It may curb the drunken sailor spending in those states as the citizens should riot when the full impact of these taxes will be realized instead of mitigated by federal offsets.
I never looked at like this before, but it seems allowing state and local taxes to be federally deducted enables states raping their citizens with outrageous taxes. They'd never have been able to do what they've done without the federal offsets.
I see your point, but the federalist in me likes the idea of taxes staying and being spent locally. I think there shouldn’t be a federal income tax at all.
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December 02, 2017, 10:47 AM
Brett257
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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Possibly all along all we had to do to keep American companies from going overseas was to reduce the corporate tax rate. Maybe its too late but if we'd have done that 30 years ago. I've concluded the powers that be including globalists want our jobs to go overseas or they'd have prevented the exodus. Spread the wealth and all that.
You may be right. My concern with the corporate tax cut is that corporations may take their tax cut and continue to send jobs overseas. Executives may use increased profits for compensation and stock buybacks instead of increasing the number of jobs available in these United States.
I have little faith in large corporations and their leadership to act in a way that benefits America first, and them second.
December 02, 2017, 11:37 AM
Scoutmaster
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Originally posted by Brett257:....I have little faith in large corporations and their leadership to act in a way that benefits America first, and them second.
And you greater confidence that liberals in congress will spend your money in the best interest of the people and not on themselves and their cronies?
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December 02, 2017, 12:01 PM
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December 02, 2017, 12:18 PM
SIG228
It's rich watching the libs have a melt down here in Oregon this morning. The same stupid fuckers who wasted nearly $500m on their Cover Oregon website that never rolled out and who can't even come close to balancing a budget in a booming economy. All they know is tax and spend.
December 02, 2017, 12:44 PM
Il Cattivo
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Originally posted by pbslinger: I never looked at like this before, but it seems allowing state and local taxes to be federally deducted enables states raping their citizens with outrageous taxes. They'd never have been able to do what they've done without the federal offsets.
Yep. Here's another way of looking at it: instead of our having to periodically defend against attempts to get the federal taxpayers to bail out New York, California, or any other state with a wild sense of entitlement, this is going on the offensive.
Even with a $10,000 cap on a deduction for property taxes, etc., this is going to seriously cramp the drunken sailor spending. $10,000 just doesn't go very far in California or New York, and there aren't that many Californians or New Yorkers who own enough real estate to justify a $10,000 state property tax bill.
December 02, 2017, 12:53 PM
downtownv
The Senate took up tax reform this week and after some procedural hurdles, Club for Growth is proud to report the Senate has passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act by a vote of 51-49 with Senator Bob Corker being the sole Republican holdout.
