Interesting article on the infamous "NYPD Trigger," which is a trigger with a heavier (reportedly 12 lbs) press. I believe Sig-Sauer only recently got the P365 "NYPD Trigger" version (Model W3659BXR3NY) approved for off-duty carry by NYPD officers.

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The cops who couldn't shoot straight: NYPD is giving new recruits guns that are easier to fire in a bid to improve accuracy after missing targets on half of all fired shots last year

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NYPD recruits will be equipped with handguns that are easier for officers to fire. Top cops at the force claim data shows the guns make officers more accurate

They claim officers who hit their targets more will end up firing fewer bullets. Critics have hit back at the move though, claiming more people will be at risk.

By SAM BAKER FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 12:26 EDT, 25 August 2021 | UPDATED: 12:54 EDT, 25 August 2021 UK Daily Mail

The NYPD is set to hand guns that are easier to shoot to its new recruits as the force looks to improve the accuracy of its officers.

The force claims that the move, which would mean less pressure is required to pull the trigger, is supported by their data, the NY Daily News reports.

According to their data, the NYPD said officers missed half of the 256 shots they fired during 26 separate incidents.

Speaking about the decision, Inspector Marlon Larin said: 'We're building (recruits) up from scratch, so to speak.

The NYPD is set to hand guns that are easier to shoot to its new recruits as the force looks to improve the accuracy of its officers

The NYPD is set to hand guns that are easier to shoot to its new recruits as the force looks to improve the accuracy of its officers.

'As we're training them we're assessing them and we can also follow them throughout their careers. We didn't want to go so large. We know this is a very sensitive topic and we wanted to phase it in slowly.'

The first NYPD recruits trained with the easier-firing weapons will graduate in October, and Larin said that officers who hit their targets will fire fewer numbers of bullets.

The new weapons were tested at Rodman's Neck in the Bronx, and recruits firing the new weapons had an average score of 93.7, as opposed to those firing the traditional 12-pound weapons who achieved a score of 88.7.

While 129 officers on the street using the new weapons had also scored higher accuracy ratings.

In recent years, other police departments have equipped officers with handguns featuring a lighter trigger pull.

One such example is the Suffolk County Police Department, whose acting commissioner, Stuart Cameron, said accuracy has improved with no increase in accidental discharges.

Suffolk County Police Department acting commissioner Stuart Cameron has said accuracy has improved with no increase in accidental discharges when his officers were armed with guns featuring a lighter trigger pull

Despite this supporting data, Deputy Commissioner John Miller has voiced concerns about the logistics behind switching the entire force to the new weapons.

Meanwhile, Randolph McLaughlin, who represented the family of Mohamed Bah, a mentally ill Harlem man shot dead in his apartment in 2012, said that the new weapons are a mistake because they put more people at risk.

He said: 'It's making the weapon more deadly for more people. And I think at a time when we're questioning the discharging of weapons by police, when we're providing officers non-lethal force devices, such as Tasers, why would you want to make it easier for cops to shoot people?'

Critics have also argued that officers armed with a weapon that can carry 16 bullets instead of the eight found in a revolver, would fire more shots.

The news comes after the New York Police Department commissioner implored the state's new governor to roll back disastrous crime reform laws, calling the 'soft-on-crime experiment' a failure that has led to the city's runaway crime.

'This city is built on public safety,' NYPD top cop Dermot Shea told NY1 on Tuesday. 'We're probably about two years into this soft-on-criminals experiment. … Show me a New Yorker that thinks this experiment has worked.

'It's been a disaster. By any definition, it's been a disaster.'

Shea made the comments after an innocent bystander was wounded Monday during a 5:42 p.m. shooting near West 31 Street and Seventh Avenue. Police said the gunman meant to strike a man inside Penn Station who he'd been arguing with over food.

'Common sense is what we need,' Shea said. 'Reforms are good, but let's do reforms that are calibrated in such a way with the input of law enforcement. We all work for the same person: the public. These laws over the last couple of years have been a disaster.'

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Critics have also argued that officers armed with a weapon that can carry 16 bullets instead of the eight found in a revolver, would fire more shots.

He may be right Got to love Sheriff Grady Judd....

LAKELAND, Fla. – Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

Angilo Freeland — who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday — was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said he was not concerned by the number of shots fired.

"You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy," Judd said by phone Saturday. "Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances."

Ten SWAT officers surrounded Freeland on Friday as he hid beneath brush and a fallen tree in a rural area. Authorities say he raised the gun belonging to the deputy he had killed, prompting nine officers to fire.

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

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after missing targets on half of all fired shots last year

That is absofuckinglutely awesome.

I can't wait for tonight's episode of BlueBloods.

My nephew is amazed and in awe whenever he shoots any of my guns, just how accurate they are and easy to hit with. G17 and 26 with the "use both hands" trigger are what he's used to.

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Originally posted by cas:
My nephew is amazed and in awe whenever he shoots any of my guns, just how accurate they are and easy to hit with. G17 and 26 with the "use both hands" trigger are what he's used to.

I thought it would be fun to shoot a Nagant M1895 Revolver, until I got the chance to fire a real Nagant M1895 Revolver.

I literally couldn't stay on an IDPA target pulling the DA trigger with both hands and two index fingers.

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NYPD said officers missed half of the 256 shots they fired during 26 separate incidents.

Looking at the bright side, they scored hits with half of their shots.

It’s about time. What a stupid concept.

There is so much comedy gold in that article.

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"Meanwhile, Randolph McLaughlin, who represented the family of Mohamed Bah, a mentally ill Harlem man shot dead in his apartment in 2012, said that the new weapons are a mistake because they put more people at risk.

He said: 'It's making the weapon more deadly for more people. And I think at a time when we're questioning the discharging of weapons by police, when we're providing officers non-lethal force devices, such as Tasers, why would you want to make it easier for cops to shoot people?' "

I wonder how many rounds missed your deceased client.

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"Critics have also argued that officers armed with a weapon that can carry 16 bullets instead of the eight found in a revolver, would fire more shots."

I would like to see a police issue 8 round revolver. Maybe going to .22 would also increase the hit rate!

You can always tell when there was an LEO related shootout in NYC - just look at the local establishment exterior walls.

They've had autoloaders since 1993.

Gold Dot since 1999.

It sounds like the good counselor is running soundbytes, instead of valid arguments.

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Originally posted by cas:
My nephew is amazed and in awe whenever he shoots any of my guns, just how accurate they are and easy to hit with. G17 and 26 with the "use both hands" trigger are what he's used to.

I was at a low light class and one of the other students happened to be NYPD SWAT shooting his duty gun. I got to try his gun for a round or two. Holy crap!

When I attended the Glock Armorer course at the Glock factory they told us the NYPD trigger weight was 17 pounds. I remember thinking, no wonder they can't hit anything.

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I would like to see a police issue 8 round revolver. Maybe going to .22 would also increase the hit rate!

I have one and it's chambered in .357 Magnum. It is not to be sneezed at!

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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I would like to see a police issue 8 round revolver. Maybe going to .22 would also increase the hit rate!

I have one and it's chambered in .357 Magnum. It is not to be sneezed at!

Yep. Ruger makes one: https://www.americanrifleman.o...ot-357-mag-revolver/

I've not seen or fired one, but I'd expect it to be excellent.

flashguy

I had a NYPD Kahr K9 I could shoot a mag with any consistency. Sold it.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
Looking at the bright side, they scored hits with half of their shots.

It's not the misses, it's what the misses are hitting.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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I would like to see a police issue 8 round revolver. Maybe going to .22 would also increase the hit rate!

I have one and it's chambered in .357 Magnum. It is not to be sneezed at!

Yep. Ruger makes one: https://www.americanrifleman.o...ot-357-mag-revolver/

I've not seen or fired one, but I'd expect it to be excellent.

flashguy

Mine is a Performance Center S&W Model 327.

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by Ogie:

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I would like to see a police issue 8 round revolver. Maybe going to .22 would also increase the hit rate!

I have one and it's chambered in .357 Magnum. It is not to be sneezed at!

Yep. Ruger makes one: https://www.americanrifleman.o...ot-357-mag-revolver/

I've not seen or fired one, but I'd expect it to be excellent.

flashguy

Mine is a Performance Center S&W Model 327.

Right. I know they are out there. But they certainly weren't around in any quantity when police forces issued revolvers. We are the minority when it comes to 8 round revolvers.

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Critics have also argued that officers armed with a weapon that can carry 16 bullets instead of the eight found in a revolver, would fire more shots.

That one threw me too... I readily admit that there have been revolvers made the hold 8 rounds but I doubt that NY city police carry them...

Maybe it's in the original article... but why is there not a mention of the actual brand and model of handgun being issued?

No, 8 is a typo or a stupido.