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Having studied Korean culture and society quite extensively. I notice something similar to what you say here but it in my experience it is more of a societal freedom. Freedom for women to act more Western and freedom from the AGE based society where all levels of respect are based off age and position. Again, I don't think you're wrong but not quite the freedoms we are talking about I don't think. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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Yes, you have the right to not do what you are told. But what do you gain from fighting the fight against the virus? Freedom to do what you want sure. But also thousands of dead people when its been proven elsewhere it doesn't have to be that way. In a lot of cases doing what you're told doesn't mean you're giving up your freedoms, it means you are admitting you don't know what the correct response is so you are accepting your country knows. If you are too ignorant to know why you are saying no then you aren't exercising any right, you're just being a dumbass. If a model has been proven to work and people argue with it cause they have to do something they don't like (again, not something that hurts them) then that's not exercising freedom, that being ignorant. And it shows by the numerous unnecessary deaths in the US. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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I think I see the issue here....... You mean the virus that 99 percent of those that contract it survive? That 81-84 percent have little or no symptoms? That one? | |||
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LOL, what does that have to do with anything. It's killed more than 100K. The common flu doesn't kill that many (I know infection rate is different, etc, I'm not making that same old argument) but we still get flu shots don't we? You still take precautions like washing your hands after you sneeze or cough in them. Or are those common sense guildelines infringing on rights? What argument are you trying to make here? People look at things differently. I don't care if it hadn't killed a single person yet. Look at how bad it's fucked things up for the US. And people will still scream that they don't have to do this or that or someone else is wrong. Okay, you're a laughing stock with how you've handled this situation. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Here's how other countries see the US: When I travel outside the US, most of the news I see is provided by CNN International, BBC, and similar. They get a very slanted view of the US as you would expect if all you every saw was the GDC media. They loved Obama because of the positive propaganda and his endless apologies. They dislike Trump because they are told to, and because he is in favor of cutting off foreign aid, not paying for everyone else's defense in NATO, and raising tariffs to match other countries protectionism against US imports. Everything was wonderful under Obama, and everything is terrible under Trump. That's my favorite part: "It's not FAIR Trump wants to tax us as much as we tax you! It's not FAIR Trump wants us to pay for our own defense budgets! It's not FAIR he wants to stop illegal immigration and limit legal immigration as much as we do in our countries!". | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Freedom is supposed to be scary. Nothing I can explain to you about how freedom is supposed to work will do much. | |||
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I'm open but okay. We will continue, as much as I hate it, to be the example of how NOT to do things in this situation. Americans can no longer claim how superior they are in many aspects cause we ain't. a slice of humble pie is warranted on many levels that DAMN we are fucked up. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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i’ve seen that as well. i’ve had to explain that a government has duties to its citizens first. it seemed like a foreign concept. "Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it." L.Tolstoy "A government is just a body of people, usually, notably, ungoverned." Shepherd Book | |||
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thin skin can't win |
Congrats. You wizards win the nested-quote mudcake fight. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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LMAO sorry George 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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In April, I might have agreed with you on a theoretical level. Since then, there’s no way. We watched pastors, church goers, and parents with small children arrested for violating government orders. We then watched thousands of protestors gather in violation to the same orders with not a peep. In many cases, the same politicians that have the orders to arrest the clergy were locked arm in arm with protestors. Now, the same politicians are telling us that we some how fucked up and if we don’t wear a mask, they’ll take our Rights from us. We are seeing court case after court case come down where the courts are holding that the same “leaders” have violated the Constitution with their orders. We’re seeing death certificates falsified as virus deaths. And that is going on every where. That is why we can’t shut up and do what we are told. Not to mention that the statistics from the experts have not changed, even with numbers that we know are false. | |||
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I do agree with you on much of that. The parts I don't agree on I simply don't KNOW enough about. When I made this post I was hopeful it wouldn't get political but probably foolish to wish that. I wish I saw in American the sense of care for the betterment of one's country take precedence over personal whatever one has going on. (and that is strictly talking about the virus, not the current government dealings) I know that horribly over simplifying it for the situation in America but it's a damn shame. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
This is a political issue. Sadly, it is. | |||
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My dear friend, we didn't need to do a damned thing in this country with respect to the outright LIES of COVID-19. The United States made it through H1N1 just fine without the intervention of the fear-mongering "media", which has been the bane of our existence since this started. It would have been better for President Trump to say something like, "I'm going to defer to the expertise of my predecessor and opt to do NOTHING, just like he did with H1N1". Maybe I wouldn't be losing my job 1-OCT if that had taken place in lieu of the MORONIC goat f**k that has transpired... "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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The virus is 99% POLITICAL in the U.S., has almost zero to do with health. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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While part of your statement is correct I’d wager the 137k dead, or better their surviving families would disagree with you on the other half. It’s these kinds of statements, while the political part is true that makes me just shake my head, or that we would get through it if we did nothing! Of course you would. But I hardly qualify thousands upon thousands of dead Americans getting through it successfully. We’re getting through it now. Doing nothing would have made us look no less ignorant. 10 years to retirement! Just waiting! | |||
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^^^^^ And again, I believe your approach to this is admirable, but alas, IMHO it's a "pie in the sky" approach. You're assuming the death rate is accurate when we've discussed in other threads just how inaccurate and made up the numbers seem to be. We did NOTHING during the Swine Flu pandemic of 2009/2010. I don't recall ANYONE saying we looked ignorant. Thing is, the adjective in your thread title is very accurate, i.e., "foreign". America and TRUE Americans will ALWAYS walk to the beat of a different drum than what's occurring in "foreign" countries. That's what sets "us" apart. Signing off now..... "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Freedom is messy. This virus and everything is political these days. The Left (mostly) has hijacked the COVID19 shit for their political agenda since all their other efforts of supplant Trump have failed. "But if it saves one life..." --> It is just another way / phrase to get people to comply with the government. | |||
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