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Originally posted by bogeyman:
I hate to repeat myself, but unfortunately it is necessary in this case. “Did you even read the article? It does not assert that cloth masks PRENVENT transmission. But wearing them does result in significant REDUCTION in transmission.”

I’ll have to repeat myself too. They did not test for transmission of virus. They tested for transmission of droplets. You can’t simply say because virus is in droplets that you reduce transmission because you measured droplets. It is bunk science and no real scientist would follow that kind of method. Contamination control is not always common sense. Sometimes you have to do the actual testing. The CDC could spend a little time and money getting viral testing done. But they don’t. As mentioned the article is bullshit.

I see......the CDC says that they work, but Belgian Blue declares it all bullshit. How silly of me to believe a bunch of virologists and infectious disease specialists.

Just tonight on Tucker Carlson, Tucker quotes the former head of the CDC when he said that the virus originated in the Wuhan Virology lab and not in the wild as the WHO asserts. So, do we NOT believe the former head of the CDC? The virus must have come from the wild, because the CDC is bullshit.

Now I get it.

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I’ll have to repeat myself too. They did not test for transmission of virus. They tested for transmission of droplets. You can’t simply say because virus is in droplets that you reduce transmission because you measured droplets. It is bunk science and no real scientist would follow that kind of method. Contamination control is not always common sense. Sometimes you have to do the actual testing. The CDC could spend a little time and money getting viral testing done. But they don’t. As mentioned the article is bullshit.

If some of the virus is transmitted by droplets, then, by definition, reducing the transmission of droplets reduces the transmission of the virus.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
I see......the CDC says that they work, but Belgian Blue declares it all bullshit. How silly of me to believe a bunch of virologists and infectious disease specialists.

Just tonight on Tucker Carlson, Tucker quotes the former head of the CDC when he said that the virus originated in the Wuhan Virology lab and not in the wild as the WHO asserts. So, do we NOT believe the former head of the CDC? The virus must have come from the wild, because the CDC is bullshit.

Now I get it.

No, COVID-19 did come from a ChiCom weapons lab. Our economy was literally at a 50+yr high. Trump was doing his best to counter the ChiComs influence... And he was doing GREAT... Then... Right on schedule, COVID-19 hits... But people like Pelosi, were actively encouraging people to come to San Francisco to celebrate Chinese New Year... Then, economy tanks... So, you're starting to catch on I think, but I sense a bit of sarcasm in your reply. You can believe the CDC all you want... They are a political entity just like most other three letter agencies.

Believe what you want. But if you choose to believe everything the government tells you, it's to your own peril.

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If some of the virus is transmitted by droplets, then, by definition, reducing the transmission of droplets reduces the transmission of the virus.

FALSE... Droplets are significantly larger than the COVID-19 virus itself. One droplet can contain millions of COVID-19 virus cells. When a communicable disease becomes aerosolized, ultra fine particulates can remain suspended in the air for several minutes. These aerosolized particulates CAN infect people through their mucus membranes such as the eyes. While masks provide a barrier barrier for larger droplets entering the nose and mouth, they DO NOT effectively filter individual COVID-19 cells when they are atomized and floating in the air and they do nothing to prevent infection through the eyes.

Again, if you see a COVID ward, you will notice that nurses and doctors will protect themselves using N95 masks AND eye protection, such as face shields or goggles.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:

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I’ll have to repeat myself too. They did not test for transmission of virus. They tested for transmission of droplets. You can’t simply say because virus is in droplets that you reduce transmission because you measured droplets. It is bunk science and no real scientist would follow that kind of method. Contamination control is not always common sense. Sometimes you have to do the actual testing. The CDC could spend a little time and money getting viral testing done. But they don’t. As mentioned the article is bullshit.

If some of the virus is transmitted by droplets, then, by definition, reducing the transmission of droplets reduces the transmission of the virus.

I need my Trump “wrong” meme. Your argument is the “common sense“ falsehood I described. It’s simply not accurate. I work with virologists and infectious disease experts. Testing droplets is bunk science.

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I need my Trump “wrong” meme. Your argument is the “common sense“ falsehood I described. It’s simply not accurate. I work with virologists and infectious disease experts. Testing droplets is bunk science.

Have you let the CDC know of the flaw in their methodology? I’m sure that they would appreciate the guidance.

By the way, please explain how it is wrong.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:

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I need my Trump “wrong” meme. Your argument is the “common sense“ falsehood I described. It’s simply not accurate. I work with virologists and infectious disease experts. Testing droplets is bunk science.

Have you let the CDC know of the flaw in their methodology? I’m sure that they would appreciate the guidance.

By the way, please explain how it is wrong.

Why would anyone bother... You're a true believer. It would obviously be a waste of time. BTW, don't eat your Crayons.

This started out as a good thread.

Really guys, page two? I figured there would at least be three pages before the pissing match.
Guess I was wrong.

I’m with Ensigmatic. I prefer to not wear one. It’s not a hill I’m willing to die on though.

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Why would anyone bother... You're a true believer. It would obviously be a waste of time. BTW, don't eat your Crayons.

The reason to bother is that you have made an assertion that is not, as of yet, backed up by any facts other than the claim that you “work with some virologists and infectious disease experts”.

If you can back up your assertion with FACTS, rather than mere assertions, then I will gladly listen. Until the, I’ll go with the CDC.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:

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Why would anyone bother... You're a true believer. It would obviously be a waste of time. BTW, don't eat your Crayons.

The reason to bother is that you have made an assertion that is not, as of yet, backed up by any facts other than the claim that you “work with some virologists and infectious disease experts”.

If you can back up your assertion with FACTS, rather than mere assertions, then I will gladly listen. Until the, I’ll go with the CDC.

I NEVER made that assertion... Your reading comprehension is for shit!!

My bad. That was from another poster.

I’m agreeing with Belgian blue on this one.

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Originally posted by Belgian Blue:

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Originally posted by bogeyman:

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Why would anyone bother... You're a true believer. It would obviously be a waste of time. BTW, don't eat your Crayons.

The reason to bother is that you have made an assertion that is not, as of yet, backed up by any facts other than the claim that you “work with some virologists and infectious disease experts”.

If you can back up your assertion with FACTS, rather than mere assertions, then I will gladly listen. Until the, I’ll go with the CDC.

I NEVER made that assertion... Your reading comprehension is for shit!!

That was me... Bogeyman: I stated early on this was my opinion based on my knowledge and experience. They have been studies for the protectiveness of all sorts of mask on virus and bacteria. The types we are wearing for Covid never lowered viral load. They are used to lower contamination by bacteria. Of course I can’t find the studies now for some reason but they were easily found a year ago. I’ve been in biotech for 25 years. My main role as a quality auditor is contamination control.

I mentioned earlier that common sense is rarely accurate in contamination control. Here’s an example. A strong solution of sodium hydroxide kill all bacteria and destroys endotoxin. Endotoxin causes anaphylactic shock in humans. So we clean our purification columns with strong NaOH. Kills everything, destroys protein. Good to go right? Nope. Some bacteria can produce a protective biofilm and survive and grow in the most extreme conditions. Common sense just doesn’t work.

I understand you believe the CDC is an honest benevolent god. I do not. I don’t believe the scientists I work with are smarter than CDC. I just don’t believe what the CDC tells us is necessarily what they believe themselves. They could do accurate viral testing but choose not to. Selective data to fit their narrative is what they do. We can agree to disagree at this point.

I can not remember the last time that I have seen something so trivial, blown out of proportion, like masks.

Maybe they help. Maybe they don't. I don't care.

The stores where I do most of my grocery shopping, Costco, Publix, Aldi, Walmart, ask everybody to wear masks. OK, so what? I'll wear one if it makes them feel better. I might or might not believe that the mask accomplishes anything, but it costs me nothing -- they will even give me a mask if I don't have one in my pocket.

I don't have that much time left (I'm 84), and I really can find more important things to obsess about. Sheeeeesh!

Hey you old guys need to let us 50 year olds obsess about this kind of stuff. Our kids are older and not taking up our time. We have lots of free time to fill.

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Originally posted by bogeyman:
Until the, I’ll go with the CDC.

The CDC that has on numerous occasions been found to have engaged in dubious science?

Heh.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
I don't have that much time left (I'm 84), and I really can find more important things to obsess about. Sheeeeesh!

This ^^^^^

Frayed ends - thank you for the thoughtful and rational response. That’s why I read this forum.....to discuss and learn.

How did my post about being the opposite of a mask Nazi turn into a dick-measuring contest about masks and how they work or not?

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Originally posted by Beancooker:



This started out as a good thread.

Really guys, page two? I figured there would at least be three pages before the pissing match.
Guess I was wrong.

I’m with Ensigmatic. I prefer to not wear one. It’s not a hill I’m willing to die on though.

So, are we going for distance or quantity?