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You chose to not wear a mask but also post smugly and smart




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You chose to not wear a mask but also post smugly and smart


Ummmm....what?


 
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Went to see family in Portland/Beaverton area this past weekend.

Of course a woman ragged on me for no mask as i was getting out of the car.

"Liberal drone, mind your own business" was the reply. Basically what they are, brainless drones.
 
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My girl is the same way. I just sit back and reach for the popcorn when she's approached by an employee or cowardly store manager cuz she really gives them the what for.
People aren't actually bothered by you not wearing a mask. If it was such a big deal they'd just stay away from you. They are bothered that you're disobedient. They are bothered that your free choices shines a light on their weakness.
 
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I gotta say that I don't get "triggered" by much. But those that make statements about masks helping definitely trigger me. Masks don't help at all. None zero zilch. Not one study has shown the masks (cloth or the regular medical type we see everywhere) lower viral transmission. Not one bit of data has shown that mask mandates have lowered infection. None, zero, zilch. I could be wrong I suppose but I keep looking and can't find any evidence of why anyone thinks masks "help." I know of not one scientist in my company that has said masks do a damn thing. We have a lot of scientist. A few of them in the virus lab, yup.

I mean, hey, if you want to wear a mask then okay. I wear it in businesses that require it because I don't feel like a fight most of the time. But for the love of god stop saying they help.




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Cloth masks work. Per the CDC as of 11/20/2020

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
Updated Nov. 20, 2020
Print
Background
SARS-CoV-2 infection is transmitted predominately by respiratory droplets generated when people cough, sneeze, sing, talk, or breathe. CDC recommends community use of masks, specifically non-valved multi-layer cloth masks, to prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2 Masks also help reduce inhalation of these droplets by the wearer (“filtration for personal protection”). The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects; individual prevention benefit increases with increasing numbers of people using masks consistently and correctly.

Source Control to Block Exhaled Virus
Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment,3-6 along with the microorganisms these particles carry.7,8 Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger)9 but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns ;3,5 which increase in number with the volume of speech10-12 and specific types of phonation.13 Multi-layer cloth masks can both block up to 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles3,14 and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured.5,6,15,16 Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments that have measured blocking of all respiratory droplets,4 with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control.3,9,14

Filtration for Personal Protection
Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron .14,17-29 Some materials (e.g., polypropylene) may enhance filtering effectiveness by generating triboelectric charge (a form of static electricity) that enhances capture of charged particles18,30 while others (e.g., silk) may help repel moist droplets31 and reduce fabric wetting and thus maintain breathability and comfort.

Human Studies of Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Transmission
Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.

An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.32
In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.33
A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.34
A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.35
Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.36,37
Seven studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system,38 a German city,39 a U.S. state,40 a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C.,41,42 as well as both Canada43 and the U.S.44 nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies42,44 and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S.45 also demonstrated reductions in mortality. An economic analysis using U.S. data found that, given these effects, increasing universal masking by 15% could prevent the need for lockdowns and reduce associated losses of up to $1 trillion or about 5% of gross domestic product.42

Conclusions
Experimental and epidemiological data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The prevention benefit of masking is derived from the combination of source control and personal protection for the mask wearer. The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic14, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use. Further research is needed to expand the evidence base for the protective effect of cloth masks and in particular to identify the combinations of materials that maximize both their blocking and filtering effectiveness, as well as fit, comfort, durability, and consumer appeal. Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation.
 
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Cloth masks work. Per the CDC as of 11/20/2020

This would be the same CDC that, like the WHO, changes the narrative every-other-day? That CDC?

I don't know if masks help much, if at all, but I do know I've little faith in anything that comes out of the CDC anymore. And, by "little," I mean very little. As in: Damn close to zero.



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Anectodal evidence at best. You would think maybe CDC would actually measure virus transmission instead of droplets. Every scientist I’ve talked to is perplexed by the idea a study measures droplets instead of doing the real work of measuring viral transmission through the masks.

Just my opinion based on my knowledge and experience.




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Cloth masks work. Per the CDC as of 11/20/2020

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2
Updated Nov. 20, 2020
Print
Background
SARS-CoV-2 infection is transmitted predominately by respiratory droplets generated when people cough, sneeze, sing, talk, or breathe. CDC recommends community use of masks, specifically non-valved multi-layer cloth masks, to prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2 Masks also help reduce inhalation of these droplets by the wearer (“filtration for personal protection”). The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects; individual prevention benefit increases with increasing numbers of people using masks consistently and correctly.

Source Control to Block Exhaled Virus
Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment,3-6 along with the microorganisms these particles carry.7,8 Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger)9 but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns ;3,5 which increase in number with the volume of speech10-12 and specific types of phonation.13 Multi-layer cloth masks can both block up to 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles3,14 and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured.5,6,15,16 Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments that have measured blocking of all respiratory droplets,4 with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control.3,9,14

Filtration for Personal Protection
Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron .14,17-29 Some materials (e.g., polypropylene) may enhance filtering effectiveness by generating triboelectric charge (a form of static electricity) that enhances capture of charged particles18,30 while others (e.g., silk) may help repel moist droplets31 and reduce fabric wetting and thus maintain breathability and comfort.

Human Studies of Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Transmission
Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.

An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.32
In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.33
A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.34
A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.35
Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.36,37
Seven studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system,38 a German city,39 a U.S. state,40 a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C.,41,42 as well as both Canada43 and the U.S.44 nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies42,44 and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S.45 also demonstrated reductions in mortality. An economic analysis using U.S. data found that, given these effects, increasing universal masking by 15% could prevent the need for lockdowns and reduce associated losses of up to $1 trillion or about 5% of gross domestic product.42

Conclusions
Experimental and epidemiological data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The prevention benefit of masking is derived from the combination of source control and personal protection for the mask wearer. The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic14, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use. Further research is needed to expand the evidence base for the protective effect of cloth masks and in particular to identify the combinations of materials that maximize both their blocking and filtering effectiveness, as well as fit, comfort, durability, and consumer appeal. Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation.


Bullshit!

Cloth Surgical Masks Do Not Work... Period.

COVID-19 can be aerosolized. As such, it can infect people through their mucus membranes (like their eyes). Unless your mask forms a seal against your face like a military issue gas mask, aerosolized COVID-19 can and will exit out the sides and top of any common surgical mask, thereby potentially infecting others who are also not wearing a tight fitting mask that covers their entire face (i.e.. military gas mask/ or hazmat mask).

I challenge ANYONE who thinks a common surgical mask is effective against COVID-19 to wear one in a tear gas training room. You'll find out pretty quick the common surgical mask won't help much. Also, anyone who wears glasses knows how their glasses fog up. That escaping respiration could well contain aerosolized COVID-19.

Finally, look up some photos of COVID-19 wards... See how many nurses and doctors are wearing ONLY a common surgical mask. Typically they will be wearing an N95 AND a face shield if they're smart.

So, in conclusion... If you people want to wear your government compliance diapers, feel free to do so. Just don't pretend they actually work. Fauchi being the perennial idiot he is has changed his position on the effectiveness of cloth face masks several times.
 
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Yes, scientists change their guidance as new data becomes available. If you don’t trust the CDC, what about the studies that they cite? Are they flawed as well? I can understand not trusting the WHO, since they are funded to a great extent by China, but the CDC is, in my opinion, far more reliable.
 
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I just tell people I have a medical condition, they can't say a thing.
I did however have one Karen who asked me what was my condition and I told her that it was legally none of her business , but since she asked I told her.
My brain is not rotted or wired to be one of the Sheep and if you don't like it, then you can lick my balls ! !
She said a couple of things but I couldn't hear them as my hearing aids turned off.
I went about my business.
 
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Bullshit!

Cloth Surgical Masks Do Not Work... Period.


Did you even read the article? It does not assert that cloth masks PRENVENT transmission. But wearing them does result in significant REDUCTION in transmission.

Of course, hospital personnel are wearing respirators and N95 masks, but that is because they are exposed to amounts of the virus that are much higher than people experience in casual social settings. Apples to oranges.
 
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The studies did not test virus. They tested droplets. I realize it seems common sense that droplets equal virus. But that is not how contamination works. It’s flawed science and any real scientist would challenge the conclusions. Viral testing can be done instead of being lazy and testing droplets. So why isn’t CDC doing the work?




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So why isn’t CDC doing the work?

Political expedience.



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Bullshit!

Cloth Surgical Masks Do Not Work... Period.


Did you even read the article? It does not assert that cloth masks PRENVENT transmission. But wearing them does result in significant REDUCTION in transmission.

Of course, hospital personnel are wearing respirators and N95 masks, but that is because they are exposed to amounts of the virus that are much higher than people experience in casual social settings. Apples to oranges.


Perhaps I didn't make myself clear... The posted article is BULLSHIT... B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T!!!

A common surgical mask DOES NOT form a seal to a person's face. Therefore, (if you understand anything about airflow) if you put any sort of restriction in front of your mouth or nose, the air leaving your mouth and nose WIL ESCAPE through the top and sides of a surgical mask. Further, common surgical masks DO NOT adhere to any standard of filtration. The COVID-19 virus is SMALLER than the filtration standard of these masks. THEREFORE, with air escaping through the top, sides and directly through a common surgical mask aerosolized COVID-19 WILL be released into the air, potentially infecting others who are not wearing sealed masks that cover their mouth, nose and EYES.

Further, Fouchi himself first said, we don't need to wear surgical masks because they're not effective in curbing COVID-19 transmission...

THEN... Fouchi said we SHOULD start wearing the same flimsy surgical masks he previously said were ineffective....

THEN... Fouchi said we should start wearing as many as two or more surgical masks in order to help curb COVID-19.

Fouchi is consistent in one area... He completely ignores the FACT that aerosolized COVID-19 can indeed infect people through their mucus membranes such as people's eyes.

You seem to be one of those people who will blindly believe ANYTHING the government tells you. I should warn you that's a dangerous way to live.
 
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I hate to repeat myself, but unfortunately it is necessary in this case. “Did you even read the article? It does not assert that cloth masks PRENVENT transmission. But wearing them does result in significant REDUCTION in transmission.”
 
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I hate to repeat myself, but unfortunately it is necessary in this case. “Did you even read the article? It does not assert that cloth masks PRENVENT transmission. But wearing them does result in significant REDUCTION in transmission.”


I'll repeat myself once again, in case it didn't make it past the vegetation in the front row...

The article is BULLSHIT... B U L L S H I T!!! Cloth surgical masks DO NOT PREVENT OR REDUCE COVID-19 transmission!!!

Seriously, I don't know how I can be anymore clear than that. Just wow!!!

Think about it... The COVID-19 is from where? CHINA.... C H I N A... Most of the cheaper by the dozen surgical masks people are wearing are made where? CHINA... C H I N A... Let that soak in....

Finally.... You should NOT believe EVERYTHING you read.... People can and will lie to you... Science is political just like journalism, public education and entertainment....

Think for yourself once in a while...
 
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