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Originally posted by PHPaul:
I can't imagine that flying in a court of law.

You can count on the judge in the county to be corrupt.

For a couple years before I retired I had to make fairly frequent trips to NJ.

Hated it.

Will never willingly go there again!

What we found one night was that one block away from the line of gambling joints on what amounted to a boardwalk, was pure slum!

When we drove down to Oregon a few months ago for the eclipse, the ride back was epic. It took us through gravel roads that hadn't seen cars in some time. There was a lady standing out in her yard in the middle of nowhere with one lane of cars as far as you could see either way not moving and she had her hands on her hips and looked like she'd never seen anything like it before in her life.

Yeah, with GPS technology, re-routing through residential that isn't normally choked is now A THING where before, it wasn't. You had to rely on a Johnny-on-the-spot map reader who had their shit together and it was all guesswork at best anyhow since you didn't know the area. Now? All those metrics (how long from X to Y to Z and at what time of day) are fed to you live with directions that make sense.

So yeah, Smalltown, USA is going to see more traffic. Our infrastructure hasn't been updated to keep pace with the growth of the nation and the technology that makes it move. These are growing pains. Get with the fucking times, New Jersey. Let people pump their own gas, let them make left turns and let them drive through neighborhoods they don't live in. Or just keep being one of the shittiest states in the union, I don't think most people much care.

I saw this a couple times in Pa. a few years ago. If you accept Federal/Sate money to maintain the roads your not gonna be able to dictate who can use them.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
AFAIK, there is no law that requires a city or municipality to have a particular street plan. So block off a few streets here and there such that there is no longer a direct route through the city, or what exists is so convoluted no one would want to drive it (except, of course, those who live there).
flashguy

This ^^^^
Jacksonville Beach had issues with cars cruising 1st street between Jax Bach and neighboring Atlantic Bach which included residential neighborhoods.

They tried different things including a city ord that made it illegal to drive down 1st street xx number of times in xx amount of time.

They finally closed off a section added a one way section and I think they added a no left turn at one intersection. The issue with the traffic through the residential neighborhoods went away.

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Fuck Jersey

Exactly. This seems typical of the inane decision-making by those plaguing their constituents.

I would have to say this falls into the highly illegal category. Something to do with inter-state commerce possibly.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
This is one of the advantages of living on a dead-end street.

How often does someone try to pass on through?

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

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Originally posted by PHPaul:
I can't imagine that flying in a court of law.

You can count on the judge in the county to be corrupt.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by flashguy:
AFAIK, there is no law that requires a city or municipality to have a particular street plan. So block off a few streets here and there such that there is no longer a direct route through the city, or what exists is so convoluted no one would want to drive it (except, of course, those who live there).
flashguy

This ^^^^
Jacksonville Beach had issues with cars cruising 1st street between Jax Bach and neighboring Atlantic Bach which included residential neighborhoods.

They tried different things including a city ord that made it illegal to drive down 1st street xx number of times in xx amount of time.

They finally closed off a section added a one way section and I think they added a no left turn at one intersection. The issue with the traffic through the residential neighborhoods went away.

But you can't pick what cars can go thru certain streets. If it's a one way street it's a one way street for everyone.

I live in NJ. Such a beautiful state, it really is. I wish I could vote in every conservative I could. It sucks being penalized. My only thing going for me is I live in a red county.

The courts are going to be so overloaded they might put an end to this idea. One could only hope.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
This is one of the advantages of living on a dead-end street.

How often does someone try to pass on through?

I live on a dead end off another dead end. We get a fair number of people who drive down the larger road, see the dead end, turn around and come down our street, drive down' my neighbor's dirt driveway, turn around again and go back the way the came. "Surprise MFers, the sign is not just for show."

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Originally posted by ulsterman:
"The town’s officials said the measure was legal but it could be “tested in court.”

Sounds like wishful thinking, and I hope it gets very expensive for them. Of course they wouldn't be brazen enough to say, "Yeah, we know it's illegal but we're doing it anyway." Even in Jersey.

I don't know, I read the story and all I heard in my head while reading was...

Lots of towns in that area have resident stickers for parking, etc., but I have never seen a sticker to allow passage. I don't see this working like they think it will. It's pretty obvious that the town wants to have its cake and eat it too - keep all the streets open for residents, but close them for everyone else. That's extreme even for NJ.

IMHO, what they should have done was made certain streets one way, or no left turn during certain hours, to make the shortcuts go away. But the rules have to apply to everybody, not just the unwashed masses passing through to get to/from the damn GW Bridge.

I'll make a prediction here. This policy is going to be challenged in court soon after it goes into effect. Leonia is gonna lose. This will make them change the plan. Some streets will become dead ends. Others will have turning or entry restrictions implemented during peak traffic hours. Those that don't comply will get ticketed for violation of NJ Statutes that cover the violations. If they go to court, the prosecutor will likely offer them the opportunity to plead to "Unsafe Driving" (NJ Statute 39:4-97.2, if you want to look it up) and pay a fine but get no points for a first offense. And once Leonia sees how much of that $400 fine comes back to them, trust me - they'll be enforcing this vigorously. Leonia will make passing through their town an aggravation, and the traffic will eventually go elsewhere. And and as far as the locals go... who's to say if they'll get a ticket, or a list of the intersections where enforcement is regularly scheduled, printed on card stock the same size and color as the standard NJ traffic summons?

Cops in NJ have discretion, and aren't afraid to use it. I've been asked to wait a few minutes while the other guy got his ticket, and even though I committed the same "offense", I was released with a verbal warning. This was in my home town, on a street that has a turning prohibition from 4-6 PM Mon-Fri. I take that street every day, but rarely before 6 PM. The local cop was nice enough to let my error slide, but didn't want me to just drive away in front of the other guy he stopped. I'm assuming the other guy didn't live in town. I was more than happy to sit for a few - I used the time to program a proximity alert into my GPS to remind me of the restriction.

Not sure about New Jersey, but earlier this year the Michigan State Police took serious issue with townships, villages, and cities that set up speed traps and other ways to catch motorists that we're not in compliance with state law. An example would be placing a 1/4 mile stretch of 25 mph in the middle of what would be typically zoned 45 mph. If you received a ticket you we're urged to plead not guilty and forward a copy and description to the MSP for evaluation and investigation. They could rule the ticket invalid and force the local department into compliance.

They will also get in trouble if they selectively enforce.

Many years ago, New Hampshire issued a ton of tickets for speeding to drivers on the Kancamagus Highway through the White Mountains during leaf season. One of the guys they ticketed was a lawyer from Massachusetts who challenged the ticket, and as part of the legal case, subpoenaed the record of every ticket issued that weekend on that road. As it turned out, almost no tickets were issued to residents of New Hampshire. (Fancy that...)

The judge didn't just throw out his ticket, he voided ever ticket written for the three day weekend on that roadway, and issued a warning to the chief of the state police.

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Originally posted by BB61:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

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Originally posted by PHPaul:
I can't imagine that flying in a court of law.

You can count on the judge in the county to be corrupt.

I "did time in Jersey" and yes corruption was rampant. Roll your eyes all you want- the truth sometimes hurts.

I love this idea. I can’t wait for PA police to pull over all the Jersey A-holes that are infiltrating my state and ticketing them for using the roads.

Every time I've seen a new ordnance being enacted, it was run by the legal department to see if it passed the litmus test.