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The Nashville School Shooting- you guys can have this one

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March 28, 2023, 08:09 AM
cas
The Nashville School Shooting- you guys can have this one
Just had a conversation about this with a co-worker. (I avoid these subjects as much as possible.)

I thought it was a student who did it. He told me they were 28(?). I said that just drove home my point.

Why would you go shoot up a school you don't go to?

A school where the people there had absolutely nothing to do with you?

We've seen it happen before. Why?

Because it's just what you do now. Thanks to TV and the internet this has become a normal response to your problems. Plus you'll be Twitter famous.
March 28, 2023, 08:16 AM
Rightwire
This is a direct result of the breakdown in the mental health system. The premise of keeping the mentally ill in the main stream was flawed from the beginning.

You pair that with an entire generation that gets triggered into overwhelming anxiety at the mere sight of an object, hearing a word, or even thinking someone might say or do something and you have a recipe for disaster.

Then take it a few steps worse by glorifying the actors on TV for months inspiring more idiots while deftly shifting blame to groups of people where were in no way involved or influential in the event.




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March 28, 2023, 08:20 AM
selogic
quote:
Originally posted by Rightwire:
This is a direct result of the breakdown in the mental health system. The premise of keeping the mentally ill in the main stream was flawed from the beginning.

You pair that with an entire generation that gets triggered into overwhelming anxiety at the mere sight of an object, hearing a word, or even thinking someone might say or do something and you have a recipe for disaster.

Then take it a few steps worse by glorifying the actors on TV for months inspiring more idiots while deftly shifting blame to groups of people where were in no way involved or influential in the event.
Very well said .
March 28, 2023, 08:22 AM
92fstech
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Will they now cut the bullshit and finally admit that a "transgender woman" is actually a male? They will focus on the guns and not the shooter, and they will certainly not acknowledge the deep confusion and mental illness they have helped to foster with this charade of "if you say you're a woman, then, your a woman."


This paragraph hit the nail right on the head. We're not only allowing it...we're encouraging it. Mental Health in this country is completely co-opted by leftist ideology and has actually changed the standards to avoid calling this psychosis what it actually is...a mental disorder. Instead, they're pushing it onto people, particularly kids.

I listed to the Shawn Ryan interview with Chris Beck last week. The guy has clearly been through a lot and has some crazy going on, but if you listen to his story it's pretty appalling the way that the government, the schools, and the medical community are pushing this crap onto the vulnerable and weak-minded. And if you speak out against it you get cancelled...Beck actually said he gets death threats just for telling his story.

This country is in a mental health crisis of our own making because we've chosen to follow a narrative that's not the truth. Not "your truth" or "my truth." That's not a thing. Truth is objective. It's right or wrong. Often it's offensive...some things are just wrong, no matter how much that might hurt somebody's feelings.

It used to be that the pursuit and advocacy of truth was commendable...these days it'll get your life ruined. It's exactly the same crap that used to happen in the Soviet Union, and a big part of the reason that entity no longer exists. We're doing our darndest to follow in their footsteps.
March 28, 2023, 08:28 AM
sgalczyn
These mentally ill have no place in society - either institutionalize or euthanize - there are no other options.


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March 28, 2023, 08:44 AM
Rightwire
The blame game from the alphabet crowd is already starting. This is the state of Tennessee's fault for their clear hatred of trans people Roll Eyes

They are absolute masters of blame shifting






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March 28, 2023, 09:01 AM
AUTiger89
Something else my parents reminded me - there is a fire station just below the church, which is on a hill. I don't know if that contributed to the quick response time.

Oh, and Para - thanks for allowing this thread. I know it helps people by spreading information, and allows people to vent.




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March 28, 2023, 09:03 AM
oddball
CNN has refused to acknowledged the shooter as trans, or even hinted at it. CBS News has printed in a 3nd tier article that the gender is unknown, but not mentioned in the latest update reports.

What is hammered repeatedly is the phrase "assault weapon". Repeatedly.



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March 28, 2023, 09:04 AM
trickedtrix
dick/vag, he/his/her/IT who cares - fucked up person killed innocent folks. I'm sure we'll find out all the signs were there, no one did anything. Ignorance is bliss, someone else's problem. This is our world now.

We've had kids for years, schools for years, guns for years, but school shootings pretty much go hand in hand with the advent of the internet/social media. We hold no one accountable, only deal with the aftermath, rather poorly.

Lets all just keep working from home and i'm sure everything will be fine...


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March 28, 2023, 09:29 AM
jhe888
quote:
Originally posted by Russ59:
I'm wondering if they'll make the claim that the Christian school is responsible for repressing the shooter's sexual expression and that, in the end, it's the school's fault.


It was a Presbyterian school. As a nearly lifelong Presbyterian, I can tell you that is not a notably conservative denomination, assuming they are associated with the large, national denomination.




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March 28, 2023, 09:35 AM
Flashlightboy
This is body cam footage from two of the responding officers at the school who engaged and took down the shooter.

The obvious, the PD is clearly sending a "we aren't Uvalde" message. Started with the Chief's presser yesterday.

Responding body cam
March 28, 2023, 09:42 AM
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March 28, 2023, 09:49 AM
chellim1
quote:
This is body cam footage from two of the responding officers at the school who engaged and took down the shooter.

The obvious, the PD is clearly sending a "we aren't Uvalde" message.

Quick, decisive and overwhelming response.
Kudos!



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March 28, 2023, 09:59 AM
Greymann
Body cam video.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv...11357441/mediaviewer

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March 28, 2023, 10:03 AM
Rightwire
This body cam footage seems in line with the training that I know Michigan police go through for these incidents. As soon as you get a team of 4 they enter and sweep quickly to neutralize the shooter. All departments cross train together so it doesn't matter who arrives, the first (4) make entry and sweep. The 2nd (4) follow but a different path so they don't cross and engage each other.

From the 2nd body cam it looks like the shooter has a tactical vest, camo pants and perhaps an AR style rifle (hard to see) and a Keltec SUB2000 with extended mag.




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March 28, 2023, 10:03 AM
RogueJSK
quote:
Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
This is body cam footage from two of the responding officers at the school who engaged and took down the shooter.

The obvious, the PD is clearly sending a "we aren't Uvalde" message. Started with the Chief's presser yesterday.

Responding body cam


Outstanding. Damn near textbook active shooter response.

Quickly gathered into small teams and made immediate entry. Took a slower and more methodical room-clearing approach when there was no overt stimulus apparent upon initial arrival, then once there was active stimulus (gunshots from above), rapidly moved directly to the sound of gunfire and decisively engaged the attacker.

Despite a few minor quibbles (totally understandable as things will never go 100% right during a stressful active shooter response situation), this bodycam footage will see significant training usage for years to come.

Bravo MNPD.
March 28, 2023, 10:07 AM
MikeinNC
I have given my kid a rubber doorstop to be used if he’s in a lockdown. (But only if he hears gunfire) It’s in the outermost pocket of his backpack. They don’t use lockers so the backpack is always with him.

I have taught him about guns and instructed him that many, many people think they are hearing fireworks when actually it’s gunfire.

I have him go over what he will do if there’s a lockdown and he hears “fireworks”.
1. Go put the door stop under the door and kick it into place,
2. Go open a window, and put a chair under it to be better at getting out thru it,and be prepared to climb out and run
3. If the gunman gets closer-get out, run away, encourage other kids to run too.

I have been handing out doorstops to his teachers since kindergarten. Even gave them Velcro to keep the doorstop on the door so there’s no searching for it.

I told this to my neighbor who has a kid in the same grade and school as mine. Then I handed him a doorstop.



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March 28, 2023, 10:11 AM
darthfuster
Those poor children. This is so avoidable. The answer is clear for those with eyes to see. Evil, selfish rectums will always target the defenseless. The answer is to create an active vicious defense.

I noticed in the video how the officer maintained his AR with the safety on and thumb resting on the lever. If that is protocol, imagine the concentration it would take to clear a room and thumb the safety only when need be. All while battling emotion and tracking the perp.



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March 28, 2023, 10:12 AM
DoctorSolo
I'm gonna put on my Cap'n obvious hat and say that this will not engender sympathy for trans people.

The cat is out of the bag about the shooter. The media's obvious bias is naked and ugly.
March 28, 2023, 10:12 AM
83v45magna
In spite of the warning of potentially 'upsetting images', this is about as racy as the recent J6 'tour' videos. There is no takedown or anything else. You do get a look at the dipshit though.



There's also this crap:


'I just need to die'. Yeah, I just have to kill a few little kids and others before I go.

AMF. Hope you burn in Hell.