I always say the same thing, "Unions made America great, then they ruined it."

Because unions are a form of socialism/communism. And like every other type of socialism/communism, if it works at all, it only works for a little while.

UAW has 400,000 active members

In 1979, UAW had 1,500,000 members

In the 1950s, 1 in 3 workers were represented by a union.
Now it’s closer to 1 in 10.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/mone...-changed/ar-AA1gMN6z

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They are going to price themselves right out of a job.

That is a likely outcome.

Similar to what happened in the steel industry back in the 80-90's. Caterpillar is a case study in how to deal with the UAW if you look at the 1994 strike. (always thought is was strange that CAT was a UAW shop) Not sure it would work today as I don't know if there is a large enough pool of willing workers.

Si habla espanol?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...-uaw-strike-n2628518

Less than 24 hours after autoworkers at America's Big 3 car manufacturers began a history-making strike, one automaker has taken action as a result of the work stoppages that followed a failure to negotiate a contract agreeable to the UAW and car companies.

Ford Motor Company announced Friday afternoon that roughly 600 employees were being laid off at a Michigan assembly plant — one being targeted with union picketers amid the strike — due to the interruption to the normal workflow caused by the worker walkout.

As CNBC explained of the news, the current UAW strike did not shut down the entire manufacturing and assembly process for Ford. There were still other parts of the process going on, even inside the plant currently surrounded by picketers, but because the still-running portion of the line relies on products and work by UAW members, the not-on-strike workers are unable to carry out their work — triggering the layoffs.

What's more, the UAW strike could trigger additional layoffs in the days ahead elsewhere in the supply chain and manufacturing ecosystem used by the Big 3 automakers, sending additional ripples through the economy as workers who may not have had anything to do with the decision to strike find themselves laid off as a consequence of the dispute.

CNBC added that Ford's initial layoffs will remain until a deal is reached and the strike comes to an end. Until then, laid-off employees would just be standing around unable to work.

Earlier on Friday, and despite saying in previous weeks that he didn't think a strike was likely nor was he worried about a walkout, President Joe Biden came down on the side of union members who are striking — more or less — as a result of his economic and energy policies.

While triggering inflation not seen in four decades which led to negative real wages for more than 24 consecutive months for American workers and sending costs soaring some 16 percent since taking office, Biden has also sought to force a clean energy transition that would necessitate a reduction in the number of workers employed to manufacture "green" vehicles.

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"Unions destroy one more US industry.

They have also destroyed the mining industry, the steel industry, public education, municipal government services, and now the auto industry."

You can't lay off the strikers so you lay off the other Union people that were affected by them . Slick move meant to fracture the solidarity .

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You can't lay off the strikers so you lay off the other Union people that were affected by them . Slick move meant to fracture the solidarity .

Slick move or not: It's practical. Why continue to employ people for whom there's no work as a result of targeted strikes?

This isn't exactly rocket surgery. When Fain announced the union's intentions I thought "Yeah, let's see how that works out for you." There are reasons what he's doing has never been done before in the UAW's 88-year history.

Of course the laid-off union workers are asking for strike pay--for which they may not be entitled. They're not striking. They were laid off for lack of work. And, if they're laid off, I don't know as they can strike?

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Originally posted by selogic:
You can't lay off the strikers so you lay off the other Union people that were affected by them . Slick move meant to fracture the solidarity .

Slick move or not: It's practical. Why continue to employ people for whom there's no work as a result of targeted strikes?

This isn't exactly rocket surgery. When Fain announced the union's intentions I thought "Yeah, let's see how that works out for you." There are reasons what he's doing has never been done before in the UAW's 88-year history.

Of course the laid-off union workers are asking for strike pay--for which they may not be entitled. They're not striking. They were laid off for lack of work. And, if they're laid off, I don't know as they can strike?

I never said it wasn't practical . It shows that they didn't just react to the situation but rather they planned for it .

The lay off off peeps can likely qualify for unemployment. That way, the Union doesn't have to pay their strike pay. The public does

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Why continue to employ people for whom there's no work as a result of targeted strikes?

Why pay people for 40 hours worth of work when they're only working 32?


I think these unions have it all wrong. They always complain about "their piece of the pie", but nobody ever mentions owning the pie. That's who gets pieces of the pie. If you want a piece, invest. Buy stock. Be an owner. Then you get your piece. Why don't these unions and their members buy up these companies and split those record profits amongst themselves?

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That way, the Union doesn't have to pay their strike pay. The public does

The public doesn't pay unemployment.

Hours after the strike started, Ford announced it told 600 workers who assemble cars at a plant in Michigan not to report to work that day, citing the "knock-on effects" of the strike. Workers in the paint department at a nearby plant are out on strike, leaving the assembly workers without adequate parts, since the parts require paint before they can be put together into cars, the company said in a statement to ABC News.

"Our production system is highly interconnected, which means the UAW's targeted strike strategy will have knock-on effects for facilities that are not directly targeted for a work stoppage," Ford said.

GM also said on Friday it plans to idle 2,000 workers at its Fairfax assembly plant in Kansas as soon as early next week due to a "ripple effect" of the strike at its Wentzville assembly plant in Missouri. The strike will mean a shortage of "critical stampings" supplied by Wentzville to Fairfax, GM said.

"We have said repeatedly that nobody wins in a strike, and that effects go well beyond our employees on the plant floor and negatively impact our customers, suppliers and the communities where we do business," GM said in a statement. "What happened to our Fairfax team members is a clear and immediate demonstration of that fact."

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/uaw-...orary-183400433.html

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"We have said repeatedly that nobody wins in a strike,

Yeah… but they can destroy the whole thing. And they might.

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[QUOTE] That way, the Union doesn't have to pay their strike pay. The public does

The public doesn't pay unemployment. (QUOTE)

Not so fast there. While a Ford spokesperson said that the personnel laid off at the Wayne (Michigan) facility will not qualify for unemployment apparently the State of Michigan has a different opinion, from the state’s website:

Workers who may be briefly unemployed due to the strike may be eligible to apply for temporary financial assistance through the Unemployment Insurance Agency (UIA). Over the past year, UIA has put in place significant modernization reforms that positions the agency to be ready to help any workers affected by an auto industry-related work stoppage including:

The state and the taxpayers will be paying.

Harry Bennett

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Don't you DARE plug something back in, you have to wait an hour for an electrical supervisor to authorize it, then another half hour for an electrician to show up and insert a 110V plug back in the wall that you would do at home without thinking

Yes, not just in the auto plants. Exhibit halls that are under Union contracts are the same thing. We rented space in one for a four day show once. We got chewed out because a Union electrician wasn’t called in to plug in an extension cord to an existing 110v plug.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/...112?dicbo=v2-Hs3KrRa


So quit and go flip burgers you moron.

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The state and the taxpayers will be paying.

That is incorrect. All the money paid into unemployment funds are from employers. The states just administer payments.

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Originally posted by shovelhead:

The state and the taxpayers will be paying.

That is incorrect. All the money paid into unemployment funds are from employers. The states just administer payments.

From the former they get money by raising taxes on people, from the later they raise money by charging more to people...