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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
He should be in prison.

Or executed, I’m cool with either.

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Originally posted by Leemur:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
He should be in prison.

Or executed, I’m cool with either.

He has yet to be convicted of, or even charged with, any crime.

Apparently fooling around consensually with a 17-year-old who appears to be at least 18 is now a death penalty offense.

There's going to be a whole lot of guys on death row if that's the case.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Apparently fooling around consensually with a 17-year-old who appears to be at least 18 is now a death penalty offense.

There's going to be a whole lot of guys on death row if that's the case.

The key word is "consensually." I read she claimed she was trafficked, and was afraid of saying 'no' for fear she would be murdered.

That means she did NOT consent freely.

That makes it rape.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
I read she claimed she was trafficked, and was afraid of saying 'no' for fear she would be murdered.

This doesn't appear to be the face of a young woman in fear for her life.


To be clear, I don't know what happened any more than anyone else here, but I (strongly) suspect that it is nothing like what is being portrayed. My guess is that she was lucky enough to sit on the right lap at the right time and now, 20 years later, she's got fuck you money to show for it.

She was essentially like any other hooker that fell under the influence of a pimp.

If a john picks up a hooker on the side of the road, he pays her, they have sex, he drops her off, and they do her separate ways, is the John guilty of rape? Does it matter if she did it on her own, or was coerced into it by a pimp? This is really what seems to have happened here. Except Andrew didn't pay her, Epstein did. hat being the case, what's Andrew's culpability here? And if Epstein paid her, is there any case for coercion at all?

There are a number of issues with this whole story with Prince Andrew, but what makes it worse is the lying about it. Had I been in his shoes, I would have said:
She was an attractive young woman who I had a relationship with. That relationship was enjoyed by both of us and I had no reason to believe it was illegal in any way. I do not know what her association with Maxwell or Epstein actually entailed. I wish her the best.
All bullshit? Undoubtedly. But it would portray him as horny and stupid as opposed to being a lying predator. The maneuvering to cover his lying about the situation only dug him in deeper.

I don't give the first shit about "Prince Andrew" or any of the ridiculous "royalty" in England or anywhere else for that matter. These people are leeches and serve no real purpose.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I don't give the first shit about "Prince Andrew" or any of the ridiculous "royalty" in England or anywhere else for that matter. These people are leeches and serve no real purpose.

I used to feel that way until I read about the income they generate. The British royal family are essentially celebrity entertainers who generate substantial revenue for tourism, parties, parades, and other spectacles. For as much as it costs to keep them living in royalty, they are financially a net benefit for the British government. The British public are also overwhelmingly in favor of their tax dollars subsidizing the royals as well.

Our ex-presidents have their retirement living & security funded by our tax dollars, even though they make hundreds of thousands of dollars per appearance/speaking engagement, so I don't think it's that different.

Well, have fun with that.

Stalin was wrong when he said "no man, no problem"

Should have been "No man, or enough money, no problem."

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

This doesn't appear to be the face of a young woman in fear for her life.

To be clear, I don't know what happened any more than anyone else here, but I (strongly) suspect that it is nothing like what is being portrayed. My guess is that she was lucky enough to sit on the right lap at the right time and now, 20 years later, she's got fuck you money to show for it.

From an optics standpoint, it may have looked better had he not denied ever meeting her.

Don’t care about foolish Royalty, and she wasn’t dragged out of her home in a cage and brought to the Island. This is calculated diversion to draw attention from the other offenders we hear no more about. Smoke and mirrors.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
I can’t believe these women would rather take a check than see their sexual abusers thrown in prison.

She probably got paid well over a million dollars, and it may well be an order of magnitude over that. Think about that you would do if someone offered you enough money to not have to worry about money any more in exchange for not dragging someone who wronged you through a public trial. A trial which wouldn't be a walk in the park for you, either. He will never go to jail, and you know that. It would just be the embarrasment over the public disclosure, and I think that horse is already out of the barn.

It isn't all that surprising to me.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:

All bullshit? Undoubtedly. But it would portray him as horny and stupid as opposed to being a lying predator. The maneuvering to cover his lying about the situation only dug him in deeper.

As the old saying goes, it isn't the crime, its the cover up.

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Originally posted by MikeGLI:


From an optics standpoint, it may have looked better had he not denied ever meeting her.

And if she wasn't a minor at the time.

EPSTEIN PAL DEAD Jeffrey Epstein pal Jean-Luc Brunel who ‘abused’ Prince Andrew ‘sex slave’ Virginia Roberts’ found hanged in prison


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...nce-andrew-virginia/



JEFFREY Epstein's pal Jean-Luc Brunel who is alleged to have also abused Prince Andrew "sex slave" Virginia Giuffre has been found dead in prison.

The disgraced fashion agent was founded hanged last night in his prison cell at La Santé in Paris.


Brunel, 76, had been indicted and remanded in custody in December 2020 following accusations of rape and sexual assault of minors - including three 12-year-old sisters.

He was also being probed over human trafficking and being part of a criminal conspiracy amid his association with Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Described previously as the paedo multimillionaire's "best mate" & "pimp", he is believed to have been a key member of Epstein's inner circle.

Brunel will likely take many of the secrets about Epstein and his horrific trafficking ring to the grave.


He has escaped justice just like the paedo multimillionaire himself when he was found hanged in his New York cell in 2019.

Security cameras in Brunel's cell were reportedly not working at the time of his death.



Prosecutors said an investigation into the causes of death has been opened after he was found overnight.

It is reported that he was found dead at around 1am during a night check by prison guards.

The French fashion agent was detained at Charles de Gaulle airport as he was about to take a plane to Senegal.

Brunel was reportedly was interviewed after his arrest about his alleged connections with a range of figures

And that reportedly includes Epstein, and mates of the late pervert financier, including Maxwell and Andrew.

Brunel denied involvement “directly or indirectly” in any of Epstein’s offences in a statement issued in 2015.

It said: “I strongly deny having committed any illicit act or any wrongdoing in the course of my work.”

Epstein victim Virginia - who settled a sex case this week out of court with the Duke of York - has claimed Brunel “farmed out” modelling hopefuls to the paedo, as well as other men, for sex.

She has also claimed she was forced to have sex with Brunel at Epstein’s home.

And she alleged that he once set up a photoshoot with seven Russian girls which Prince Andrew watched.

In 2020, Virginia also went on the attack on Duke over the arrest of Brunel.

"Are you sweating yet, Prince Andrew? You should be. Your buddy Jean-Luc Brunel is behind bars. Remember those girls he supplied to you on the island?," she said.

“Well, you might want to start thinking of new allergies cuz you’re about to burn. This piggy will roll over on EVERYONE to save his own bacon.

“Those who participated in this sex trafficking ring should be worried.”

Andrew has always denied any allegations of improper behaviour over his relationship with Epstein and Maxwell.

In court documents released in August 2019, Giuffre claimed Brunel was one of the men Maxwell had directed her to have sex with while still a teenager.

She claimed in a 2015 affidavit that Epstein bragged he had “slept with over 1,000 of Brunel’s girls.”

Brunel was introduced to Jeffrey Epstein through his pal Ghislaine Maxwell, whom he had known since the 1980s.

I can hear the half-wits now: "Y'SEE?? Y'SEE???"

One thing we can be sure of- this guy did not fall into despair, did not hear of the "Prince" Andrew settlement, and did NOT commit suicide. Why would a man in such a predicament commit suicide? Who has ever heard of such a thing? ESPECIALLY when all indications are they are guilty. Preposterous! Yet another indication of the vast and shadowy cover-up by shadowy cover-up artists.

Jeffrey Epstein's pimp Jean-Luc Brunel dies in prison 'suicide': Frenchman who procured 'a thousand women' for pedophile financier and slept with Virginia Roberts 'hangs himself' - a week after Prince Andrew settlement



Jean-Luc Brunel, 76, was found hanging in his cell in La Santé, Paris, at 1am during a night time check in


The fashion agent was arrested at Charles de Gaulle airport in December 2020 while trying to fly to Senegal


He was suspected of being a member of infamous financier Jeffrey Epstein's global underage sex ring


Death in an alleged hanging will fuel conspiracy theories around the Epstein affair after he also died in prison


Brunel is thought to have been alone in the cell and there were no cameras to record his final hours



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...-prison-suicide.html



While CCTV is commonplace in the corridors and gateways of French prisons, the vast majority of cells are not under video surveillance. This is ensure a degree of privacy, and to make sure that European human rights legislation is not violated.

Inmates are sometimes known to record events using devices including mobile phones, but Brunel is thought to have been in a single occupancy cell, said the source.

'There is an investigation going on to confirm all this, but at the moment it looks like he killed himself alone, and it was a routine patrol that found his body hanging,' he said.

The source added: 'There were no obvious fears for the prisoner's health, and he was not on a suicide watch, having already been in prison for many months.'

The official enquiry into Brunel's sudden death was on Saturday being carried out by offices from the 3rd Judicial Police district in Paris. An autopsy was set to be carried out, to establish the exact cause of death.

Forensic officers were meanwhile examining the cell where Brunel died. La Santé, which was built in the 19th Century, has housed some of the most dangerous prisoners in recent French history.

There is a so-called 'VIP section' where inmates include 'super terrorist' and mass killer Carlos the Jackal, whose real name is Ilich Ramírez Sánchez.

Brunel was originally indicted and placed in pre-trial detention in December 2020 for the 'rape of a minor over 15 years old' and harassing two other women.

Yep, he was murdered.