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My son graduated from the University of Missouri in May and one of the speakers at the graduation ceremony had to take several swings at President Trump..uncalled for....
 
Posts: 1890 | Location: Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri | Registered: August 03, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/m...-the-left-1503258538

The commotion began in October 2015, when student activists claiming that “racism lives here” sent administrators a lengthy list of demands. Among them: The president of the University of Missouri system should resign after delivering a handwritten apology acknowledging his “white male privilege”; the curriculum should include “comprehensive racial awareness and inclusion” training; and 10% of the faculty and staff should be black.

Two weeks later, a student announced he was going on a hunger strike, and the football team refused to practice or play until the university met the demands. As protesters occupied the quad, administrators bent over backward to accommodate them, even providing a power strip so they could charge phones and a generator so they could camp in comfort.

A communications instructor, Melissa Click, appeared on viral video calling for “muscle” to remove a student reporter from the quad. By Nov. 9, both the president and the chancellor of Mizzou, as the flagship Columbia campus is known, had resigned.

As classes begin this week, freshmen enrollment is down 35% since the protests , according to the latest numbers the university has publicly released. Mizzou is beginning the year with the smallest incoming class since 1999.

In May, Mizzou announced it would lay off as many as 100 people and eliminate 300 more positions through retirement and attrition. Last year the university reduced its library staff and cut 50 cleaning and maintenance jobs.

Mizzou’s 2016 football season drew almost 13,000 fewer attendees than in 2015, local media reported. During basketball games, one-third of the seats in the Mizzou Arena sat empty.

Universities have consistently underestimated the power of a furious public.

At the same time, they’ve overestimated the power of student activists, who have only as much influence as administrators give them. Far from avoiding controversy, administrators who respond to campus radicals with cowardice and capitulation should expect to pay a steep price for years.
 
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Universities have consistently underestimated the power of a furious public.

At the same time, they’ve overestimated the power of student activists, who have only as much influence as administrators give them. Far from avoiding controversy, administrators who respond to campus radicals with cowardice and capitulation should expect to pay a steep price for years.

There might be a message in this for certain governors and mayors that seem inclined to capitulate to noisy activists making not just unreasonable, but downright ludicrous demands.



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That college will go broke. Live and learn.
 
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Universities have consistently underestimated the power of a furious public.
Right on
 
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Fate is a fickle mistress.

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Universities have consistently underestimated the power of a furious public.
Right on


Most colleges run on thin margins. If they lose 10-20% of their expected new admissions for a year or two, they are toast. I guess they can spend their endowment funds, if that is even allowed. They are on borrowed time IMO. F'em.
 
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If it were a private school you would be correct.
Then again this wouldn't have happened at a private school.



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It's called Karma.

It can be very, very good. Or, it can suck donkey balls. For them, it appears to be the latter.


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That college will go broke. Live and learn.


They are a state school, and the "largest" and "most popular" in the state.

THey won't let them go broke.

But they MIGHT just learn something from this... or at least I hope...





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That college will go broke. Live and learn.


They are a state school, and the "largest" and "most popular" in the state.

THey won't let them go broke.

But they MIGHT just learn something from this... or at least I hope...


Good point. But eventually the state might get tired of pouring money into that hole...
 
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Good point. But eventually the state Taxpayers might get tired of pouring money into that hole...[/QUOTE]


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Good point. But eventually the state Taxpayers might get tired of pouring money into that hole...[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]


Exactly right!
 
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I’m not as gleeful about all this as some.

One thing I’m not seeing discussed is that not all the boycotters are doing so because the school supinely caved into the “protesters’” demands. In one article I read, someone said she would avoid the school because she didn’t want to attend a racist school, and the protests demonstrated that that’s what it is.

Although one argument is therefore that the school should have just stood up and said, “No, we’re not a racist institution, and we’re not going to get rid of anyone or give into unreasonable demands,” the other side of that coin would be the argument that they should have in fact dealt with the institutional racism earlier and more effectively. If they’d done that, the argument would go, there would have never been any protests and demands to cave into to begin with.

My point is that I believe it’s a mistake to assume that all of the university’s current troubles are due to a righteous backlash against its earlier actions. Some is due not to their going too far, but to not going far enough.

Added: Before responding to my post, please read it. I am outlining a possible argument, not stating my position on the matter. I agree with those who say that schools like this should stand up and refuse to give into unreasonable demands.




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Added: Before responding to my post, please read it. I am outlining a possible argument, not stating my position on the matter. I agree with those who say that schools like this should stand up and refuse to give into unreasonable demands.


Your argument is not only possible, but it is factual. There are students who said they wouldn't go to Mizzou because of perceived racism. This was studied though, and it was found that the vast majority who didn't go to Mizzou was as a backlash against the actions of the administrations failure to stand up to the protestors.

So, yes, both reasons are possible and valid reasons not to attend Mizzou.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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This was studied though, and it was found that the vast majority who didn't go to Mizzou was as a backlash against the actions of the administrations failure to stand up to the protestors.


Something to take a little heart from then. Thank you.

The next question is whether such backlash will have any significant effect on other schools and institutions.




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— Unidentified chief of an American police department.

“I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.”
— The Wizard of Oz

This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do.
 
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Added: Before responding to my post, please read it. I am outlining a possible argument, not stating my position on the matter. I agree with those who say that schools like this should stand up and refuse to give into unreasonable demands.


Your argument is not only possible, but it is factual. There are students who said they wouldn't go to Mizzou because of perceived racism. This was studied though, and it was found that the vast majority who didn't go to Mizzou was as a backlash against the actions of the administrations failure to stand up to the protestors.

So, yes, both reasons are possible and valid reasons not to attend Mizzou.


For those who won't attend Mizzou due to alleged racism, I wonder how their Plan B will work out for them.




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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Added: Before responding to my post, please read it. I am outlining a possible argument, not stating my position on the matter. I agree with those who say that schools like this should stand up and refuse to give into unreasonable demands.


Your argument is not only possible, but it is factual. There are students who said they wouldn't go to Mizzou because of perceived racism. This was studied though, and it was found that the vast majority who didn't go to Mizzou was as a backlash against the actions of the administrations failure to stand up to the protestors.

So, yes, both reasons are possible and valid reasons not to attend Mizzou.


For those who won't attend Mizzou due to alleged racism, I wonder how their Plan B will work out for them.


Probably fine. But not for Mizzou!
 
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This is brilliant. Another college has successfully implemented Mizziou's recent business loss model. If only Evergreen had some kind of warning.

Evergreen enrollment down


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