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Originally posted by bald1:
From what I've been able to gleen, my shutdown hangup is likely tied to drivers employed by my ATI Raedon Express 1150 integrated graphics.

And the possibility exists that this isn't the cause for the laptop to not execute shutdown either through the GUI button or via terminal sudo shutdown command.

But I'll be $%&# if I can figure out how to update / correct the driver. Running the Driver Manager doesn't help a whit. I'm used to Windoze Device Manager and haven't broken the code for the Linux Mint approach. <sigh> Searching the Linux forums hasn't helped.

The fix will likely be with a change in a bios setting of your Dell Vostro 1000. I don't think it has to do with your display driver.

Sounds like the problem has something to do with ACPI (power) setting. Your Vostro bios doesn't have anything specific for ACPI ... BUT ... there is a PowerNow Control in your bios and it's worth a shot.

Bios > Advanced > PowerNow Control ... Disable it, and see if that corrects the problem.

AMD PowerNow Control is similar to the Intel SpeedStep approach and I remember seeing startup / shutdown issues on old Intel laptops that were corrected when SpeedStep was disabled in bios and since you have an AMD, that's why I suggested disabling PowerNow Control.

Merry Christmas Hobbs!

Running the most current version of the BIOS (v2.6.3) and all I found on the Linux forums were suggestions to disable quickboot which I'd done. Of course this had no impact on shutdown or restart.

Tried your suggestion to disable PowerNowControl and that (THANKFULLY) did the trick.

Thank you!

Thank you!

THANK YOU!

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Originally posted by bald1:
I finally asked myself why I wanted to retain / safeguard Windows XP on my old Dell laptop.

There really is no reason.

As for what VM client, I am not impressed with what I'm finding about the native Win10 Hyper-V.
More likely would opt for either free home editions of VirtualBox or VMware... not sure which but that decision is quite a bit down the road.

I'd say scrapping XP was a good move.

As far a the Virtual Environment what exactly does not impress you about Hyper V?

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Originally posted by smschulz:
As far a the Virtual Environment what exactly does not impress you about Hyper V?

After you folks suggested VM, I did a lot of searching and reading. Invariably in multiple comparisons, be they reviews or threads, the MS Hyper V was said to be a lesser choice to other solutions like (free to home / personal use) VirtualBox or VMware. Many comments were over my head. It appeared that Hyper-V was first introduced with Win8.1 and has just been rolled forward. Some, obvious non-MS fans, opined that MS had little incentive to promote or refine anything that supported OS other than their own. The other VM solutions were seen as evolving and dedicated. I also noted that architect didn't include MS Hyper-V in his detailed VM post on the first page.

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
As far a the Virtual Environment what exactly does not impress you about Hyper V?

After you folks suggested VM, I did a lot of searching and reading. Invariably in multiple comparisons, be they reviews or threads, the MS Hyper V was said to be a lesser choice to other solutions like (free to home / personal use) VirtualBox or VMware. Many comments were over my head. It appeared that Hyper-V was first introduced with Win8.1 and has just been rolled forward. Some, obvious non-MS fans, opined that MS had little incentive to promote or refine anything that supported OS other than their own. The other VM solutions were seen as evolving and dedicated. I also noted that architect didn't include MS Hyper-V in his detailed VM post on the first page.

First, even though I am a MS shop, I am not trying to push Hyper V on you.
I would suggest you "try" them all and make a decision accordingly.
Reviews on go so far and experience will rule your day.
Nothing wrong with any of the options, it usually evolves to what you are most familiar with and in the business world there may be some additional reasons but those revolve around licensing and hardware compatibility for the most part and it is usually a choice of Hyper V or VMWare at that point.
The good thing is all are easy to try and easy to delete and start over.
Give em a shot, good luck.

Had no clue you were a "MS Shop." Regardless I'm quite a ways off from tackling any VM Linux installation on my Win10 Desktop.

Still many challenges to be overcome and lessons learned with Linux on my old laptop. This is all new territory for me. (As an aside I originally posted the wrong configuration specs and tried to correct them but found too many had already quoted my erroneous Vostro 1000 details.) This is a laptop that I bought over 10 years ago and hadn't used in nearly 5 years. It was pressed into service recently when my Win7 Desktop crapped the bed. It will continue to serve as a backup albeit running Linux Mint Mate 19.1 vice Win XP. Its portability will also come in handy.

My current challenge is to install Brother printer drivers and configure Mint's printer device to access the printer via WiFi while the printer remains hooked via USB to my desktop for primary use.

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Well, Merry Christmas bald1
Setting up and learning any new system will have frustrating moments (remember first starting with Windows LOL), glad you got it sorted.

You should be able to find help as needed with the Brother printer, on the Mint forum and from those who actually own and use Brother printers. I've never owned or used a Brother printer. I've only ever had an HP and they can be their own whole 'nother ball of wax.

That said, there are some basic things to take a look at. For example ... is the printer actually connected to the WiFi network as a shared printer? My HP has an "idiot" light that shows it's connected and a front panel GUI interface to set it up with WiFi password and everything if it isn't connected ... and other options for WiFi setup and sharing. If you aren't sure, check the Brother owner's manual for WiFi setup. Additionally, maybe you will need to check and ensure the Brother printer has "shared" printer enabled on your Win10 desktop.

In the past with earlier Mint distros, I've had to manually add HP printers via Control Center > Printers and install HP drivers. But that has changed with Mint 19.1. NOW when I check Control Center > Printers ... my printer is already there like plug and play LOL.

If your printer is actually powered on and connected to WiFi and shared ... and it doesn't automatically pop up in "Printers" like my HP, then you will have to "Add" it of course. BUT ... pause and give your old laptop ample time to scan the network for any available printers. THEN click on the Brother network printer that it finds and follow the prompts for installation. It should be an easy deal but may take your old laptop some time to find the printer first.

Keep us posted on your progress and any issues. Like I said, I don't use Brother but will try to help if I can.

EDIT: As you try to add a printer, there won't be any fancy animated popup indicating "network scanning progress" but your laptop will surely be searching the network for any shared printers, so give it time. Also in the Add Printer > New Printer > Select Device box ... expand the ">" Network Printer arrow to see results if it doesn't automatically expand.

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LOL Thanks.

My first printer was a Brother Dot Matrix back in my Atari 800XL days. Over the years I've owned Epson, Canon, and others. But in retirement I'd found a good old reliable Brother B&W laser printer to be the ticket. No more need for expensive varied color ink carts to buy and mess with.

As for the installation. Nope, no printers visible in the Control Center. Duh... need to setup the WifI and sharing capability first in the Win10 Brother Utilities. Then hook up the laptop to the printer via USB after running the Brother Linux terminal commands to install and configure their driver/app package I've D/Led. Then setup the Brother in the Mint printer center and run a test print.

A bunch of hoops to jump through that will consume some time, but not rocket science (he says boldly confident! HA!).

Just gonna enjoy the rest of the day and look to tackle this task later.

Yep, that's the fun thing about retirement and having backup systems. All things in good time.

I'm retired too. Been retired for 12 years. "In another life" during a military career, I was a Data Systems Technician, maintained and repaired main frame computers, display systems, secure communications and ancillary equipment. While not necessary to be a programmer or even an operator to perform my job as a repair technician, I often did dabble in command line operating systems. Even built my own personal computers for a time until the prices of hardware came down so low, it was easier and much more economic to just buy off the shelf.

These days I like things just as simple as possible and with little to no security risks. That's why I love Linux Mint. What with Microsoft and Apple phone home telemetry built into the operating systems with no chance to completely disable, paying good money to upgrade operating systems as well as paying good money for necessary apps and often incurring subscription fees, it was a no brainer for me to switch to an open source operating system but going in knowing full well there may be some limitations, trade-offs, incompatibilities etc ... and a learning curve.

The ONLY disappointment I have is that many hardware and software vendors have excellent programs and utilities that are designed for Microsoft and Apple (that's where the money is) and little to no support for open source systems like Linux Mint which relies mostly on volunteers, enthusiasts, and donations. *.exe files will not work with Linux ... except through Wine and often then, not with full functionality. In Linux Mint if looking outside Software Manager for something, the easiest choice for third party programs and apps is installation of *.deb files. I don't use Wine or *.exe file on my Linux systems and routinely uninstall Mono. Those emulators are used to run Windows software in Linux. It's better not to install such Windows emulators, because they make your Linux partially vulnerable to Windows malware. While that Windows malware may not affect my Linux operating system much, I could conceivably pass something on to something else in the network or onto someone else through use of whatever Windows program I'm emulating. Possibly via a pendrive or something.

As I mentioned, I do run Win10 Home on a lapbook to control home stereo music and TV home theater and that's all the lapbook is used for and dedicated to. But, there is a Linux app for that too but not as nice or as capable as the the *.exe program is. Outside of that one and only exception, in my world, Linux Mint hits the nail on the head and the ball outta the park. Linux Mint ... from freedom came elegance.

I think I mentioned in an earlier thread you participated in that my first exposure to computers was the shipboard AN/YUK-5V Univac 1500 with its room filing mass. Was taught as an officer to program it with COBOL via a card-reader punch.

But my first personally owned computer was an Atari 800XL I won through a Navy Relief fund drive drawing. Tweaked it with a bank select 256k memory and a toggle switched between 3 EEPROMs (AtariDOS, SpartaDOS, and a disassembler). Kept on top of things "computer" to the tune that years later I was originally hired at Mare Island Naval Shipyard as a GS-12 computer geek. 6 months later I was more comfortable directing the nuclear material division as a GM in support of shipyard activities locally and afield for repairs of nuclear propelled surface and subsurface vessels, as well as maintaining a stock point supporting the Navy worldwide with primary and secondary reactor plant components.

Computers became more of a tool than a hobby from then on out. Just didn't have the time or energy to keep pace with the accelerating technological developments.

When BRAC finally closed the doors I got picked up on a lateral by the Zoomies where I shifted to supporting the B-1B "Bones" here in the Black Hills.

Retired now from both military and civil service careers. It was an interesting run but I am quite content enjoying the fruits of my labors as a seasoned senior retiree!

I'm a retired Navy Chief FFC(SW). Navy did away with the DS rating in '98 and I was briefly an ET before settling in as an FC.

Joined the Navy as a non-rate Airman (AN). Was selected as top 10 in my boot camp class and with that and having aced ASFAB, offered a conversion to seaman (SN) and Data Systems Technician (DS) advanced electronics school ... or nothing else, take it or leave it. I was an "elderly" recruit and too old for many Navy programs, including NUC or likely that's what I would have been offered.

Was stationed at (night) Mare Island schools command (in Valley-Joe ) on two different occasions, beginning in the mid-late 80s. I gained over 2 years combined Naval Education there and went on to serve aboard 4 different ships and two shore tours. One tour as an instructor and phase head at Dam Neck.

Was a DS1, made board (a couple of times) but wasn't selected as Chief then because I had one eval I needed to outgrow and I didn't have all my tickets punched then. When they did away with the DS rating in '98, I submitted paperwork for conversion to ET. I completed ALL the ET courses and made board as an ET first time up. While paperwork for my conversion to ET had been approved, it was then I discovered that BUPERS held me as an FC !!! ... the ET Chief's board never even looked at my package. SOooo ... why fight 'em, join 'em. I became an FC, completed ALL FC courses, made Chief's board first time up and was selected.

I started using Linux Mint in 2008/2009. Back then it was much more manual to work Mint for print and file sharing. While dated, you may find some interest in these two links from 2009 and 2011 to set up a network printer and file sharing in a Windows network. They likely go much deeper and further in detail than you will need, but never know what you might glean. They helped me immensely back then, so for what it's worth ...

Network Printer Sharing: https://forums.linuxmint.com/v...pic.php?f=42&t=28397
Samba file and print sharing checklist: https://forums.linuxmint.com/v...f=42&t=88146&start=0

You mentioned UYK-5V and card punch. I came in just after those had been phased out and cut my teeth on 642B and the "micro" UYK-20 computers before moving on to UYK-7 and finally UYK-43 during my Naval career.

Prior to joining the Navy, I was an operator and supervisor in a machine shop and was in charge of numerically controlled (NC) equipment and programmed them to machine raw castings. Used a flex-writer (similar to typewriter) for programming. First the programs were tested on the machines from paper tape. Once verified, the programs were then transferred to mylar tape where the tape was used as program storage, required to run with each machine cycle.

I had a successful career going as a machinist, but hated HATED working indoors ALL day, week in and week out in every season indoors. Owned my own home, had a car, truck, motorcycle and boat. All the toys. Besides, I also had itchy feet and wanted to see the world. When I decided to finally do the right thing by my country and myself and enlist in the military, Navy recruiter came to my home, looked around somewhat wide eyed, thought a moment and asked, "What are you doing" LOL. The reason I joined as a non-rate without a guaranteed "A" school was because every rate I'd dream sheeted for didn't have a schools billet until much later than I wanted to wait and go to boot camp. I figured if the recruiter didn't get me enlisted and off to boot camp as soon as possible ... I might change my mind LOL. Talked with the recruiter one day and was headed to boot camp just two weeks later. My dad had been an AD during his four years in the Navy, so I chose non-rate airman (AN). At 33, I was too old for any Officer programs or any programs leading to a commission. The rest as they say, is history.

I too was older. Had 6 years of Army time plus work history with a couple of Fortune 500 companies when I took my commission. Bailed from one that decided to cut loose all their older employees nearing retirement to save money. Soured me on big corporations. Of course the grass isn't greener on the other side of the street as politics and games are played on both sides. Still I never regretted the choice and enjoyed my government service time.

We answered every bell and punched every ticket. Enjoy retirement bald1 and your foray into Linux :SALUTE:

Quite recently I installed Mintt Mate on a Toshiba laptop with quite similar if not older Specs. Runs fine.

Other than that, smschulz advise is sound. If You can dedicate the laptop think of a email SSD to improve performance once You are confident with it. If You didn't enjoyed a VM

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Originally posted by 0-0:
Quite recently I installed Mintt Mate on a Toshiba laptop with quite similar if not older Specs. Runs fine.

Other than that, smschulz advise is sound. If You can dedicate the laptop think of a email SSD to improve performance once You are confident with it. If You didn't enjoyed a VM

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Nicky I have considered a small SSD. 120Gb units with a 7mm to 9.5mm adapter are going for around $30 right now. But with it being only SATA 1.5 aka SATA I (1.5Gb/s max speeds) I hesitate to sink any money in such an upgrade for a 10 year old laptop. Then again....

Just D/Led and installed a HDD evaluation package and found the old Seagate 80Gb in the Vostro 1000 has 32,282 hours on it and shows these results.



Found these interesting:
https://forums.anandtech.com/t...vostro-1000.2329976/
https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/...-120GB/m576784vs3945
https://www.storagereview.com/...ial_bx300_ssd_review

The Crucial BX300 120Gb SSD w/ 7mm to 9.5mm spacer is running $27.88 on Amazon currently. Order placed.

Whoa !!! Yeah, might want to do something about that hard drive if you want to keep playing with that Vostro LOL

I dropped a crucial SSD (MX series I think) into my circa 2007 Dell Lattitude D830 laptop a couple of years ago (maybe several) and was startled at the speed increase. I may never get the money out of it and it's been relegated to a closet for about a year now but it runs anything I toss at it effortlessly. Even briefly had Win10 on it at one time just to check it out and reaffirm my disgust with Microsoft LOL. Shoot I might dig it out and install Mint 19.1 on it. Think it still has one of the 17 series Mint releases. Oh, and these days, I like the Samsung offerings over Crucial ... but would likely simply choose the cheapest if still messing with old hardware upgrades.

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Originally posted by bald1:
I also noted that architect didn't include MS Hyper-V in his detailed VM post on the first page.

That was because I know little about Microsoft products, and do not use them for my own purposes. I am more a Unix/Mac guy.

I also didn't mention bhyve, the BSD hypervisor, which is my preferred type-2 hypervisor when budget/licensing is an issue, or Xen, the clear favorite for a type-1 (bare metal) hypervisor. The fact that both AWS and Google's web services were built atop Xen is notable.

VMWare is the market leader of third-party products, and there are cost-free license versions available (VMWare Workstation, etc.) The big benefit of VMWare, though, is their management and support components in their higher-end products that really make a difference when managing a large production environment with three or more hosts and dozens of guests. In VSphere, you can do things like move a guest "live" from one host to another without having to suspend, or reboot the guest. This with a complicated, but not too horrible GUI, and (not cheap) vendor support to shorten the learning curve. Except for the cost, it is hard to argue against VMWare, but going that route will not save you money over discrete hardware until you get into the hundreds of guest instances.

I'd recommend Virtual Box as a good starting point for someone new to hypervisor technology. Low-cost licensing (free for many use cases), a wide variety of host and guest OS support, and a reasonable GUI management console. I have a production Windows Server 2003 guest running under Virtual Box (on FreeBSD) that hasn't had a hiccup in 15 years. This is the accounting/financial "machine" for a medium-sized company and uptime is critical. Before we went virtual on this system, we would have a crash of some kind every five years or thereabouts. I can confidently say that Virtual Box is much more reliable than a hardware CPU.

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Originally posted by Hobbs:
Whoa !!! Yeah, might want to do something about that hard drive if you want to keep playing with that Vostro LOL

I dropped a crucial SSD (MX series I think) into my circa 2007 Dell Lattitude D830 laptop a couple of years ago (maybe several) and was startled at the speed increase. Oh, and these days, I like the Samsung offerings over Crucial ... but would likely simply choose the cheapest if still messing with old hardware upgrades.

Agreed which is why I selected a Samsung 860 EVO 1Tb SSD for my desktop. But the laptop is only SATA I not II or III and can't take advantage of the refinements of the more upscale offerings (MX500, EVO 860, etc.). Research showed this 2017 BX300 model from Crucial was a solid bet even over their 2018 BX500 model. Plus the price was right.

Unless I'm missing something, the BIOS v2.6.3 won't need any setting changes to accommodate the new SSD.

Looking at a clean 19.1 Mint Mate install rather than messing with Clonezilla, etc. and an external USB HDD. Just boot into F12 and my Mint installation DVD and install to the virgin SSD.

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Originally posted by architech:
I'd recommend Virtual Box as a good starting point for someone new to hypervisor technology.

Thanks for the detailed rundown. I'll definitely keep this in mind should I opt to go VM/Linux on my Desktop.