Navy nuclear engineer and wife arrested on espionage charges for trying to sell submarine secrets to foreign power by way of a peanut butter sandwich
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Originally posted by rat2306: Selling the nation out pretty cheap.
Did you ever notice that always seems to be the case? I remember being astounded at the pitiful sums involved with the Walker spy ring and others.
The money, even if it were astronomical, isn't as bad as giving up, say our European order of battle, Which Walker gave the Sov's at the height of the cold war. That kind of thing is incalculable.
And I don't see how betraying official secrets, specifically those you were warned never to reveal, verbally and in writing with your signature,isn't espionage. The distinction between treason and espionage is dubious to me. Seems hard to have one without the other.
And I am ALL FOR a hanging, public, if at all possible.
October 12, 2021, 08:13 AM
Flash-LB
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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
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Originally posted by rat2306: Selling the nation out pretty cheap.
Did you ever notice that always seems to be the case? I remember being astounded at the pitiful sums involved with the Walker spy ring and others.
The money, even if it were astronomical, isn't as bad as giving up, say our European order of battle, Which Walker gave the Sov's at the height of the cold war. That kind of thing is incalculable.
And I don't see how betraying official secrets, specifically those you were warned never to reveal, verbally and in writing with your signature,isn't espionage. The distinction between treason and espionage is dubious to me. Seems hard to have one without the other.
And I am ALL FOR a hanging, public, if at all possible.
Don't forget that there are 4 main reasons for selling out your country, and money is only 1 of the 4.
The 4 are MICE: Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego
October 12, 2021, 08:21 AM
DennisM
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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Could be wrong but I don't think it was China. This country actually notified the US government of this attempt to sell to them.
I missed those parts... assumed it was all stateside.
Somehow, the "full read" makes it seem almost comical, if it weren't for the whole trying-to-sell-out-your-country aspect.
October 12, 2021, 05:50 PM
chellim1
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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
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Originally posted by jhe888: I genuinely think letting them rot in a supermax prison is worse than execution. 23 hour lockdown, your one hour is not outside. Limited to no conversation with others. Many people are literally nuts after just a few years of that.
Given our nation’s deficit, I’d be ok with the cheapest solution: 15ft of rope. Hell, you can even reuse it and get a twofer out of it, ladies first.
It's not just the money. Rotting in prison may be the greater punishment, but hanging at the end of a rope is the greater deterrent to others.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor
October 12, 2021, 06:28 PM
corsair
These two were idiots, absolute morons, they had no clue what they hell they were doing. So pitiful were their actions, that they approached another country, allied with the US, who sat on the information they received for 9-months before turning it all over to the FBI. Ridiculously pathetic...
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Originally posted by Rev. A. J. Forsyth: Someone educate me...Can this guy be executed for treason like the Rosenbergs?
No, see Walker spy ring, Ronald Pelton, and Larry Chin for precedence.
October 12, 2021, 07:44 PM
DanH
Seems legit for the moment.
October 12, 2021, 09:33 PM
berto
Get a rope. Hang em, tow em behind a sub, whatever.
October 12, 2021, 09:47 PM
bald1
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Originally posted by berto: Get a rope. Hang em, tow em behind a sub, whatever.
Keelhauling would be apropos.
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