Has anyone else seen this news item?

The job posting is for IRS “Criminal Investigation Special Agents,” who would be assigned to the agency’s law enforcement branch.

It was briefly deleted but has since reappeared back online.

“The New York Post reports:

A “key requirement” for applicants is that they have to be “legally allowed to carry a firearm,” and “major duties” include “Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force, if necessary” and “Be willing and able to participate in arrests, execution of search warrants, and other dangerous assignments,” according to the job posting.”

Posted in and commented on in this thread, page 4/5:

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/2620068394


But no, no one has even noticed.

FFS.

They're the same Criminal Investigation agents (previously "CID") that they IRS has had since the 1920s/30s. They've been criminal investigators since the Al Capone days.

They've had guns since the 1940s.

They've been understaffed since roughly then.

They don't audit. They don't collect. They don't collect delinquent returns. They investigate criminal fraud and nothing else.

I am not an IRS lover, and there is so much to hate about this administration that I've lost count, but could we please go to histrionics over something that's not 100 years old?

Disclaimer : I am not supporting, just sharing.

The verbiage used is no different than any other law enforcement agency in this country when it comes to being an armed agent/officer.

Having sat on countless oral boards, all it is about is having an applicant that is willing to be armed and do what needs to be done when shit hits the fan.

Personally, I do not read too much into this. It is all boiler plate.

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Thank You for posting this.

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Originally posted by DennisM:
... but could we please go to histrionics over something that's not 100 years old?

Absolutely, certainly, but I don't mind losing my mind over this one too. It' a part of my conditioning, when in danger and so forth..

Thank you, DennisM and old dino, for seeing the bullshit reporting for what it is. Right or left, when they make it sound like the sky is falling, they must be called out.

But you gotta laugh...

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Originally posted by 12131:
Thank you, DennisM and old dino, for seeing the bullshit reporting for what it is. Right or left, when they make it sound like the sky is falling, they must be called out.

After sleeping on it, I realize I've been way overboard on the subject.

In fact, I've decide to work some (additional) overtime and donate a few more Franklins to the Treasury Department to help with their training and ammo budget.

If anyone would care to join me, here is the link to the online form for donations:

https://www.pay.gov/public/form/entry/101/708094624/


Gifts to the U.S. Government

How do I make a contribution to the U.S. Government
Citizens who wish to make a general donation to the U.S. government may send contributions to a specific account called "Gifts to the United States."

This account was established in 1843 to accept gifts, such as bequests, from individuals wishing to express their patriotism to the United States. Money deposited into this account is for general use by the federal government and can be available for budget needs.

These contributions are considered an unconditional gift to the government. Citizens can make financial donations electronically via Pay.gov, or in paper form.

At Pay.gov, you can contribute Online by Bank account (ACH), PayPal, Debit or Credit Card.

You can write a check or money order, payable to the United States Treasury, and, in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to the United States. Mail your check or money order to the address below:
Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of Treasury
Reporting and Analysis Branch 2
P.O. Box 1328
Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328
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Let me make sure I understand this correctly.

When a supposedly purely financial(white collar) branch of the government, morphs into a politically motivated wealth redistribution organization, and decides to use an in house armed tactical enforcement team to arrest and prosecute citizens for what is truthfully only committing a white collar crime. When a simple seizure and forfeiture through already existing systems would suffice, saying that they have gotten away for 100 years with the complete over reach of any concept of serving free people that the founders intended makes it fine and dandy. I guess Ol’ TJ was mistaken when voicing his support for the 2nd Amendment.

What type of crimes do the IRS Criminal Investigation agents investigate? Are they all tax related, or do they partner with other agencies like FBI and ATF?

They cooperate with RCMP and Chicago PD to interdict illegal Canadian whisky being smuggled into the U.S. by motor trucks.
These operations have not always gone smoothly.

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Originally posted by tleddy:



A “key requirement” for applicants is that they have to be “legally allowed to carry a firearm,” and “major duties” include “Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force, if necessary” and “Be willing and able to participate in arrests, execution of search warrants, and other dangerous assignments,” according to the job posting.”

Being in Law Enforcement, it's kinda mandated that there's a badge/button/shield/star... and a gun that goes along with it. Now if you're a cop, and you have to carry a gun, you should be, if necessary, able to use it....

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Originally posted by bryan11:
What type of crimes do the IRS Criminal Investigation agents investigate? Are they all tax related, or do they partner with other agencies like FBI and ATF?

IRS- Tax evasion. And yes, they partner up with other federal agencies like DEA, FBI, Secret Service.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
IRS- Tax evasion. And yes, they partner up with other federal agencies like DEA, FBI, Secret Service.

Yep. Basically every criminal enterprise is involved in tax fraud/tax evasion at some level.

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Originally posted by old dino:
The verbiage used is no different than any other law enforcement agency in this country when it comes to being an armed agent/officer.

Personally, I do not read too much into this. It is all boiler plate.

Exactly. It's standard language for any law enforcement job description.



I'm having flashbacks to hysterical Sigforum posts about lead smelters and FEMA camps.

What type of crimes do the IRS Criminal Investigation agents investigate? Are they all tax related, or do they partner with other agencies like FBI and ATF?[/QUOTE]

IRS- Tax evasion. And yes, they partner up with other federal agencies like DEA, FBI, Secret Service.[/QUOTE]

SSA OIG Agents worked with other Federal Law Enforcement Agencies all the time. Often it was other agencies that called in SSA OIG Agents for help, not the other way around. Identity theft, credit card fraud (which involves the illegal use of SS numbers), money laundering (also involves illegal use of SSNs) and other crimes all have aspects where SSA OIG has expertise. So my point is that it is not at all unusual for Federal Agents from several agencies to work together.

Some years ago SSA OIG began an investigation that involved the misuse of SSA benefits by the owner of a residential health care facility. When it was over HUD OIG was involved (section 10 payment fraud), Secret Service was involved (theft of direct deposit SSA checks which they investigate),

they must be expecting to be met with deadly force

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Yep. Basically every criminal enterprise is involved in tax fraud/tax evasion at some level.

Then they should be investigating the Federal government given it is the biggest criminal organization in the US today.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
IRS- Tax evasion. And yes, they partner up with other federal agencies like DEA, FBI, Secret Service.

Yep. Basically every criminal enterprise is involved in tax fraud/tax evasion at some level.

Agree. The majority of these criminal enterprises are involve in some serious, violent undertakings. Many investigations I was following up on often all had one thing in common ... "follow the money". Al Capone, a very violent guy, was taken down for tax evasion. Another tool to use.

Other armed federal agents (just to name a couple more) : Veterans Affairs and Postal Inspectors. No doubt there are more.

Additionally, I recall an article where early this year the IRS bought about $700,000 of ammo. I was just thinking about how many rounds of ammo the department I worked for went through on an annual basis : at least 1,000,000 rounds (million). Probably higher considering how many rounds our SWAT unit uses ... a lot higher. Then I thought about how much all those rounds cost the department and the $700,000 does not sound that out of touch.

The news does make everything sound worse than what it may actually be. If the news actually took the time to look outside the box, and do the math, there would be no story to tell.

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Originally posted by old dino:


Other armed federal agents (just to name a couple more) : Veterans Affairs and Postal Inspectors. No doubt there are more.

Additionally, I recall an article where early this year the IRS bought about $700,000 of ammo. I was just thinking about how many rounds of ammo the department I worked for went through on an annual basis : at least 1,000,000 rounds (million). Probably higher considering how many rounds our SWAT unit uses ... a lot higher. Then I thought about how much all those rounds cost the department and the $700,000 does not sound that out of touch.

The news does make everything sound worse than what it may actually be. If the news actually took the time to look outside the box, and do the math, there would be no story to tell.

Agreed.
Postal Inspectors- worked with them more than once. People would be surprised on what gets sent through the mail. Before the www., kiddie porn was sent snail mail. Postal Inspectors along with local LE were able to nail a lot of those sick fucks. Drugs of all sorts, mail theft (think- checks in the mail, and not the joke)

$700,000 of ammo... And people freaking out over it. Talk about another inflammatory article... How long would it take the 15 of us that posted in this thread to shoot $700K of good government ammo? Figure the .gov common calibers- .308/7.62, 5.56/.223, 12ga, 9mm, .45, .357sig, .40cal... That's about a good two - three week class for each of us.