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I see he shows the Bronze Star and Combat Infantrymans Badge on his uniform. I'd like to see the citations for those awards...

They probably plagiarized those of "I served in Vietnam" John Kerry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/h...ding_now_opn_sf_pos5

Has the Military Gone ‘Woke’?
Gen. Milley too easily dismisses the risks to recruitment and morale.

By the Editorial Board
June 25, 2021 6:27 pm ET

Army Gen. Mark Milley is getting kudos from the media for telling Congress that the military hasn’t become “woke,” even as its leadership urges soldiers and sailors to absorb woke ideas. The brass is trying to have it both ways on this issue, and that may ultimately undermine its core mission.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs told the House Armed Services Committee Wednesday that he “personally” found it “offensive” that Republicans have accused general officers of being “woke.” A pair of Florida Congressmen had been criticizing Gen. Milley over seminars at West Point about “white rage.” The Chief of Naval Operations has recommended “How to Be an Antiracist,” a book that proposes “future discrimination,” ostensibly against white people, on his professional reading list for sailors.

Gen. Milley has to be sensitive to the political realities in the White House, but he was clearly exercised about the criticism, saying it’s “important actually for those of us in uniform to be open-minded and be widely read.” He later added: “I’ve read Mao Zedong. I’ve read Karl Marx. I’ve read Lenin. That doesn’t make me a communist.” So, he asked, “what is wrong” with “having some situational understanding about the country for which we are here to defend?”

Of course sailors and Marines should read widely. Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Michael Gilday said similarly last week that he was merely exposing sailors to new ideas. But one can still wonder why “How to Be an Antiracist,” a book promoting sectarian racism, is on the reading list as “foundational” material on par with Jim Hornfischer’s classic naval histories.

The Navy’s reading list for sailors also includes “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” and “Sexual Minorities and Politics.” Contrary to Gen. Milley and the Navy brass, it is not an assault on open-mindedness to ask whether an institution that requires esprit de corps and a common purpose can function if sailors are primed to view white shipmates as potential “oppressors.”

The branches have argued that they’re merely trying to recruit talent amid declining interest in service. The services need to tap new talent pools, but surely that goal will fail if the military comes to be seen as a venue for some of the most contested cultural debates.

Many military families, a mainstay of our services, won’t keep sending their sons and daughters to enlist if they think the military is one more progressive hothouse like universities. Officers will leave if they believe their advancement depends more on woke bona fides than merit.

All of this comes as the military desperately needs more resources to confront significant threats, such as a rising China. The military is a rare American institution that commands bipartisan confidence. If that trust is torpedoed over the next few years, Gen. Milley and his colleagues will share responsibility for the long-term damage.

Not that I have any faith he could comprehend it, but the false principle CRT is founded upon is collective condemnation....or guilt by association. This is NOT justice. It is the cornerstone of every genocide and the mindset of every genocidal maniac. CRT teaches children to hate entire subsets of the population on association of involuntary physical characteristics and stereotypes. This is the same mentality that possessed the KKK and Jim Crow era racists. Can this General wrap his head around that? I doubt it. In true celestially inspired justice the individual is responsible for his own actions and not those of another. It is the only just principle and one we reflexively and jealously guard for ourselves. But if we cannot honor such individual justice for others, we will not long keep it for ourselves. And that is what govt oppressors really want, isn't it? Entire swaths of the population guilty by perception and association. Given an evil title. Branded for identification and eventual elimination. This is how it happens. This is how it has always happened. The base and natural, unrefined man consistently moves as a predator on his fellow man and uses useful ignoramuses to do it. Resist CRT. Resist it in its nascency before it becomes undefeatable settled science.

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… the false principle CRT is founded upon is collective condemnation....or guilt by association.

Well said. You nailed it.

We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did.” – Thomas Sowell

Miley, like all the FOGO's before him, along with any elected political representative, appointees and most of all corporate executives all fall into the same bucket...they're opportunists. Their backbone swings with the winds of whatever is 'current' or in the zeitgeist. Very few are willing to stand up and not only say, 'The Buck Stops Here', but are capable of having an original thought, especially one that bucks whatever is the trend.

Nearly all executive positions whether in gov, military or, in the corporate world (public or, private), nearly all operate under the precip of 'get along to go along'. They didn't get to such a high position by being a maverick, independent minded or, being principled. None of these qualities are exclusively within the purview of conservatives or, libertarians, however as we've seen the prevailing winds amongst executive decision makers is to regurgitate and emulate Leftist ideology. When pressed hard by various Congress-critters, most of these guys get defensive (Miley), then start fumbling for an explanation (USN CNO Gilday) because they really don't know, they're truly ignorant to the person-to-person interaction, they just repeat whatever has been put in front of them by their 'branding manager'.

Here's the head of the Navy try to explain his 'reading list choices' regarding the polemic 'How to be an Anti-Racist'

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
… the false principle CRT is founded upon is collective condemnation....or guilt by association.

Well said. You nailed it.

We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did.” – Thomas Sowell

I think its even simpler then that. CRT is a total 'lie'. Either you support and promote a lie, or you refuse to. There is exactly zero middle ground on this as that retard Milley tried to put forth. Unfortunately for us, as others have mentioned here, our generals and those in charge of our military are cowards and liars, and devoid of character. As I noted several pages back, the next military budget should include a huge increase for the purchase of body bags given this BS nonsense Milley and others are complicit in is going to get thousands of American soldiers killed if we ever have to fight a real war again.

You know how whenever the subject of some sort of new civil war comes up a lot of people will mention that the US military will have a lot of members who refuse to fight or leave altogether?

Conservatives aren’t the only people who had that idea. This is the lefts answer.

Remember that there are millions of military members all over the world who have and will gladly kill their own citizens under orders. The left is making sure that the US military will too.

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Remember that there are millions of military members all over the world who have and will gladly kill their own citizens under orders. The left is making sure that the US military will too.

That's part of the communist play book and the reason for the purge of conservatives from military leadership.
Every tyrannical communist regime has turned the military against its own people.

And, oddly enough, done so by promising the military 'special priveledges'. The Wehrmacht promised to be personally loyal to Hitler and help put the Waffen SS together in the belief that Hitler would keep the nazis from interfering with the Wehrmacht.

Well... On the CNOs uniform is the Bronze Star and Combat Action Ribbon.
Lets see the citations for these awards, please, Admiral.

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Well... On the CNOs uniform is the Bronze Star and Combat Action Ribbon.
Lets see the citations for these awards, please, Admiral.

USS Princeton CG-59, he was the TAO when she struck a mine during OP Desert Shield/Storm

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
… the false principle CRT is founded upon is collective condemnation....or guilt by association.

Well said. You nailed it.

We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did.” – Thomas Sowell

I think its even simpler then that. CRT is a total 'lie'. Either you support and promote a lie, or you refuse to. There is exactly zero middle ground on this as that retard Milley tried to put forth. Unfortunately for us, as others have mentioned here, our generals and those in charge of our military are cowards and liars, and devoid of character. As I noted several pages back, the next military budget should include a huge increase for the purchase of body bags given this BS nonsense Milley and others are complicit in is going to get thousands of American soldiers killed if we ever have to fight a real war again.

Here you describe the impasse with CRT. One simply cannot get into details with sophists. Believe me, sophists created CRT and sophists promote and project it. No one has the time nor patience to debate a sophist in most venues of discussion. The only hope is to argue principles. At this point, nearly everyone can agree that justice is individual and guilt by association is genocidal. That is CRT's Achilles' heel.

Thanks, Corsair. I was not able to find anything on his awards.

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Well... On the CNOs uniform is the Bronze Star and Combat Action Ribbon.
Lets see the citations for these awards, please, Admiral.

USS Princeton CG-59, he was the TAO when she struck a mine during OP Desert Shield/Storm

Wait a minute - if you are on a boat that strikes a mine you are eligible for a bronze star? Did he rescue several sailors or perform some heroic act during the recovery?

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USS Princeton CG-59, he was the TAO when she struck a mine during OP Desert Shield/Storm
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Wait a minute - if you are on a boat that strikes a mine you are eligible for a bronze star? Did he rescue several sailors or perform some heroic act during the recovery?

Wait another minute - as the TAO, or Tactical Action Officer (TAO) isn't he at least partially responsible for the tactical employment of weapons systems and defense of the ship?

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USS Princeton CG-59, he was the TAO when she struck a mine during OP Desert Shield/Storm
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Wait a minute - if you are on a boat that strikes a mine you are eligible for a bronze star? Did he rescue several sailors or perform some heroic act during the recovery?

Wait another minute - as the TAO, or Tactical Action Officer (TAO) isn't he at least partially responsible for the tactical employment of weapons systems and defense of the ship?

Cut the CNO some slack. The fact that his ship hit a mine does not necessarily mean he, or ANYBODY on the ship, was at fault. It WAS war, after all.

They almost lost the ship. The Princeton's crew did everything expected of them, and they are all to be commended. These were state-of-the art Italian mines; not some MacGuivered gunpowder and duct tape home-grown Wiley Coyote contraptions. . .

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On the morning of 18 February 1991, during Operation Desert Storm, Princeton was patrolling 28 nautical miles (52 km) off Failaka Island in the Persian Gulf, on the west side of the decoy United States Marine Corps and naval invasion forces afloat. At exactly 7:15 AM local time two Italian-made MN103 Manta bottom-mounted influence mines detonated, one just under the port rudder and the other just forward of the starboard bow, the second explosion most likely being a sympathetic detonation caused by the first. The blasts cracked the superstructure, buckled three lines in the hull, jammed the port rudder, flooded the #3 switchboard room through chilled water pipe cracks, and damaged the starboard propeller shaft. Three crewmembers were injured, one seriously. Despite the severe damage, the forward weapons and the AEGIS combat system were back online within 15 minutes.

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The ship and her crew were awarded the Combat Action Ribbon.

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Future Chief of Naval Operations, Michael M. Gilday was serving aboard Princeton as an officer during the ordeal, and was awarded the Navy Commendation Medal with Valor for his actions.[

I looked up Admiral Gilday's Wikipedia article, and it did not indicate why he was awarded the Bronze Star (it does not appear to be from the mine strike incident). He was awarded the Bronze Star Medal, but NOT with the V (valor) device. Bronze Stars are given for valor in combat (with the V), but also for other, non-combat accomplishments (without the V). A previous CNO (Adm Boorda) earned a Bronze Star, but wore the V device. He was called out for it (it was, indeed, a case of 'stolen valor' because he did not earn the V device and he should have known it), and later committed suicide over the scandal.

I have seen no credible evidence that would indicate the current CNO has medals/awards he did not earn.


As for Gen Milley, this is disappointing. I saw him speak at this year's USAF Academy commencement. He gave a great speech. This 'woke' crap is a cancer. I sincerely hope we, as a nation, can reverse direction.

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Cut the CNO some slack. The fact that his ship hit a mine does not necessarily mean he, or ANYBODY on the ship, was at fault. It WAS war, after all.

Fair enough.

In my opinion, what we are seeing is the second purge of the military. During the Obama Admin, they got rid of most all of the senior leadership in the military that didn't 100% agree with the administrations views and objectives. This administration is trying to finish the job. They are now purging enlisted that don't follow the administrations views.

This is how they plan on controlling the military and using it against those of us that will stand up to them.

According to your logic sailors could never earn any medals. It was war and tell you what, you hit a mine in the middle of the night, lose power and fight to save your warship and your crew in the dark, in the cold, with water gushing into your broken hull. Seriously screw you guys if you think that.

Would it shock you to learn the MOH has been awarded to Navy personnel? Do only ground troops deserve this?

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In my opinion, what we are seeing is the second purge of the military. During the Obama Admin, they got rid of most all of the senior leadership in the military that didn't 100% agree with the administrations views and objectives. This administration is trying to finish the job. They are now purging enlisted that don't follow the administrations views.

This is how they plan on controlling the military and using it against those of us that will stand up to them.

It started much earlier. Bill Clinton despised the military and started purging conservatives in the 90's. The problem is that W didn't do much, if anything, to reverse the trend and then when Obama got in, he accelerated the purge and was very open about it.

I have posted this tweet before - I fully agree with it: