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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

We were shooting suppressed weapons in 45Cal's range years ago and one would fail to function because the suppressor's weight and the ammo weren't matched or something. I know very little about suppressors, but they tried different ammo until it cycled. Also it seemed to require some kind of oil squirted down in it.

The machine guns with suppressors worked perfectly.

I have never had any pistol fail to fire with my can on it. But I also have a Nielsen device on it - not sure if his had one or not. Too amateur to be a professional, it seems to me he is a wannabe and watched too many movies. He did seem calm (which could be achieved with drugs and not just experience or psychological makeup), but obviously did not have reliable equipment.

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Originally posted by iron chef:
the NYPD believes a Welrod was used to the point that they went to a gun shop in CT to investigate a B&T Station Six sold/transferred there recently.

The NYPD doesn’t necessarily “believe” anything of the sort.
It is of course possible, but in a high profile investigation like this, the police are all but obligated to follow up on almost any lead regardless of how unlikely lest they be accused of not doing a proper job. They can’t be certain that the perpetrator and his weapon will ever be identified and if not, “The police didn’t …” will haunt them forever.

“Chief, it wasn’t an effing Welrod.”
“Of course not. But we’ve got to check anyway, so go up there and do it so we can say we did.”

Anybody who thinks it was a Welrod or B&T has never watched a video on how they actually work

Latest headline

Welrod UnitedHealth Welrod CEO Welrod Brian Welrod Thompson Welrod assassinated Welrod outside Welrod the Welrod Manhattan Welrod Hilton Welrod Hotel Welrod in Welrod New Welrod York Welrod City Welrod Welrod Welrod Welrod

Chances are that I will be making 'Welrod' a trigger word in this forum.

We'll discuss it no more. Not one mention of it. It's nothing more than a silly distraction.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
No, not his first time with a gun.

Agreed, and specifically with that gun and that ammo. That's all I was trying to say in my first reply to this thread. He knew it wouldn't cycle the gun and expected it not to. If I were to speculate at all, it would be that he may have tried a variety of ammunition and picked what was quietest, despite it not cycling the gun, erring for quiet instead of function. It's almost certainly just a basic-ass suppressed 9mm. People want it to be exotic because they don't understand suppressors and how they work.

I've specifically been going down this same route with subsonic 9mm ammo lately, trying to find what's quietest in my suppressed 9mm guns that will still cycle them. I've found that not all subsonic 9mm is equal and so far, the quietest stuff has been the cheap shit. Guess what? It's all ball ammo. To my mild surprise, 147gr HST's go supersonic. Given my recent experiences, I wouldn't be super quick to write him off as a know-nothing the way I'm seeing in various parts of the internet. I'd guess that at the absolute least, he was practiced and may have gone through a couple attempts at picking out a quiet ammo, otherwise, there's a lot of defensive stuff with enough ass to cycle a suppressed handgun, but it would have been a lot louder.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:

I find it interesting that the “smiling gunman” has black backpack straps and the guy that actually did the shooting had gray straps on his backpack.

That is one issue when it comes to surveillance cameras based upon angles, lighting, different IR/NIght vision technologies, through glass, depending upon zoom type (analog vs digital and quality of those components) all of these things can effect color on playback.
Especially when it comes to synthetic materials and taking single frame screen shots.

For instance I was reviewing video the other day trying to get a license plate for a vehicle where a bozo had just done some really dumb stuff in front of no less than 6 cameras.

On one side of the building the cameras showed the vehicle to be blue on the other side of the building with different cameras the truck appears to be black, when I zoomed in trying to read the plate on the camera where the truck appeared blue originally once I hit a certain level of zoom the truck became black. The truck was actually very blue and in no way looked black in person yet a couple of the cameras and angles most certainly made it to appear as if it were black and had I only had those cameras on one side of the building we would have been looking for a black truck.
The same can happen with clothing and fabric.

Looks like a Glock-47 with a custom made made Afghani silencer to me.

I know it was a silencer and not a noise suppressor because (wait for it) NO gun shots can be heard on any of the videos!!



oh and for those of you not fully up to speed with modern weapons, the media has found out about the Glock-47.

It is a pistol variant of the AK-47 made by Glock. Not too many exist.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by Beancooker:

I find it interesting that the “smiling gunman” has black backpack straps and the guy that actually did the shooting had gray straps on his backpack.

That is one issue when it comes to surveillance cameras based upon angles, lighting, different IR/NIght vision technologies, through glass, depending upon zoom type (analog vs digital and quality of those components) all of these things can effect color on playback.
Especially when it comes to synthetic materials and taking single frame screen shots.

For instance I was reviewing video the other day trying to get a license plate for a vehicle where a bozo had just done some really dumb stuff in front of no less than 6 cameras.

On one side of the building the cameras showed the vehicle to be blue on the other side of the building with different cameras the truck appears to be black,

Yep. Things like gray/black, black/blue, and beige/silver can be pretty tough to distinguish on surveillance footage.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
That Ian guy has a video of himself shooting a Welrod. I noted two things: Ian is left handed and he tips the gun over (rotates it about 120 degrees) to dump out the spent case after firing each round. It seems there’s no case ejection mechanism. The assassin didn’t appear tip his gun over at all.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Looks like a Glock-47 with a custom made made Afghani silencer to me. Not too many exist.

Yes! Thought it looked weird how the smoke came out of the top of the gun when fired.

I wanted one of these hybrid 47s, but the darn things are ceramic and cost more than I'd make in three months.

Gotta go see if Hans has one on sale.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
That is one issue when it comes to surveillance cameras based upon angles, lighting, different IR/NIght vision technologies, through glass, depending upon zoom type (analog vs digital and quality of those components) all of these things can effect color on playback.
Especially when it comes to synthetic materials and taking single frame screen shots.

Speaking specifically to various fabrics and how they appear under night vision, there are dyes that simply reflect as almost white under IR light. It's a known phenomenon in the NV community. A number of materials will appear one way in white light with unaided vision and show white or even glow under IR. Anodized aluminum in any color outright glows under night vision when you shine IR light on it.

That said, in the video of the shooting, there's a number of little things that tell me that's not what we're seeing there. We see a blue suit jacket and a black jacket. We see the shooter passing in and out of the lighting in street lights and the color stays consistent, which says to me that he isn't being painted with IR light from a camera. We also see red tail lights and red reflections of traffic lights, and while that seems insignificant, I'll tell you one of the lesser known peccadillos of NV is that the color red (for reasons I don't fully understand and can't explain) is indistinguishable from other colors, whether IR light is shown on it or not, and only shows under white light in the visible spectrum.

Based on my own hours under night vision, my brain is telling me what we see in the security cam footage is white light, and the colors we're seeing aren't in the IR spectrum. My take? The backpack is grey.

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Originally posted by HRK:
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Originally posted by wcb6092:
https://x.com/NYPDnews/status/1864706407985221974


Is that the same guy? In the photo Para posted yesterday at 7:36PM, his backpack straps are a much lighter color.

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A few posters have commented on the difference between the photo on the left and the photo on the right. But apart from the color of straps and such, the photo on the left looks feminine.

Not only the face, but the frame is not bulky like the photo on the right, but structurally smaller, as is generally true of women.

I'm not proposing or hinting at any kind of a theory about the murder. Just making an observation.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Colion Noir video.

I disagree with him about the shooter being surprised the gun didn't cycle. It doesn't look like that to me at all. Based on that, he draws some conclusions I don't agree with. See above.

Everyone wants to jump to the conclusion that the guy doesn't know what he's doing because the gun didn't cycle, that it was a malfunction. I'm not saying he's Jason Bourne, but I am saying there's another entirely reasonable possibility here: He selected ammo based on what was quietest, and that quietest ammo was stuff that wasn't stout enough to cycle his setup. It's not giving him any more credit than it takes to buy a half dozen or a dozen different boxes of ammo and go out in the countryside by himself and spend an hour trying them out. This shit isn't rocket science. He could have known it wouldn't, and I think he did based on the body language and not hesitating to manually cycle the gun.

My friends and I are actively involved in this exact process right now. Saturday, we're getting together to shoot out in the desert, and one of the agenda items is pooling a variety of subsonic 9mm to see what all runs the quietest in our suppressed PCC's and pistols. For those of you who haven't gone through this kind of experiment, I'll go ahead and tell all of you that subsonic doesn't always mean quiet - and some of it is surprisingly loud, even without the crack.

Another informative post, P220 Smudge.

I did not see it previously posted but Thompson and several tother UHC big wigs were under investigation by the DOJ for insider trading.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/...ider-trading-report/

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
and that quietest ammo was stuff that wasn't stout enough to cycle his setup.

I don't own a suppressed weapon but always assumed one had to swap recoil springs (to a lighter weight) to function with subsonic ammo. That, or clip a couple coils off?

Apparently not.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by HRK:
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Reading is fundamental

Mea Culpa, I do read, however, fundamentally missed your post.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Yep. Things like gray/black, black/blue, and beige/silver can be pretty tough to distinguish on surveillance footage.

A little off topic, but in support of the differences of color:

Looked at new felt for our flood damaged pool table yesterday. The guy showed us one that I swore was blue in one light and gray in another. Then, he showed us the effects on color perception of the felt against various colors of rails. And that was without cameras being involved.