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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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The suspected murderer was clad in an orange jumpsuit and had to be restrained as he was brought in to face a judge at Blair County Courthouse in Altoona,
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I don't see anything that supports your position.

Did you clink on the link for the quoted article? There are pictures of the 'suspected murderer' wearing orange. There's even a video of him being escorted into the courthouse where's he's a bit agitated...And clearly restrained.

I thought search incident to arrest ended with the AZ vs. Gant ruling. I thought that meant they could only search for evidence related to the arrest or original reason for the contact.

Some states have stop and identify laws, some don't. If the cop has RAS or PC for the contact, you have to produce ID or give your truthful name. If it's casual conversation/fishing with no RAS or PC, you can refuse and walk away.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

I’m also wondering what the circumstances of the killer’s identification and arrest were, and specifically what the justification was for the search...

You seem to have answered your own question, a few times.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
RAS or PC

Agitation is common among criminals who have been arrested. You cannot make a diagnosis on that information alone. I have been in plenty of courtrooms where this behavior is seen.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
RAS or PC

Reasonable Articulable Suspicion (needed for detention) and Probable Cause (needed for arrest).

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
This article indicates it was a tip that led police to him.

https://www.oann.com/newsroom/...-taken-into-custody/

If he was wearing a 2020 costume (mask) in 2024 in the middle of PA, he stood out. He might have stood out in 2020 in much of the state.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
RAS or PC

Reasonable articulable suspicion or probable cause that a crime has been committed.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
I thought search incident to arrest ended with the AZ vs. Gant ruling.

There is evidently much discussion of the case, including the link below.

In short, though, Gant only ruled that search incident to arrest didn’t justify searching anything and everything in the vicinity. In that case the arrestee was out of the car after being directed to and at that point preservation of evidence or concerns about officer safety didn’t justify searching the car. If someone was arrested on his porch, searching the house wouldn’t be justified as being incident to the arrest.

If concerns about officer safety and even preservation of evidence would ever apply during an arrest, it would be when the suspect was believed to have committed a murder with a handgun. I haven’t seen anything that explains where the gun was, whether it was on the killer’s person, in something like a jacket that he wasn’t wearing but was right next to him, or perhaps in another bag/backpack, but it’s not like it was out in the parking lot in a rental car—as far as we know.*

There have been challenges to searches after an arrestee has been handcuffed, but although I haven’t had reason to confirm it recently, as long as the search was in immediate proximity to the individual it was ruled as being justified. In fact, the last guidance I ever received on the subject was “handcuff then search,” and that was a change from the old practice of searching with the arrestee in “the position” against a wall and not handcuffed. Handcuffing first is much safer for the officer.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/2003/02-1019

* And that, BTW, is an example of what we, I at least, don’t know about the circumstances of the arrest. We have certain information, but the devil is always in the details of such a situation, and all that isn’t in anything I’ve seen. So yes, I still have questions that have not been answered.

Added: An article in The Wall Street Journal reports that the pistol recovered during the arrest was in a backpack that the arrestee had. That obviously would be an officer safety issue and is exactly why searches incident to arrests are permitted.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: sigfreund, December 10, 2024 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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The suspected murderer was clad in an orange jumpsuit and had to be restrained as he was brought in to face a judge at Blair County Courthouse in Altoona,
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I don't see anything that supports your position.

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1866597257010876772




People need to stop this fucking shit. Everything- EVERYTHING- is a fucking conspiracy. Oh, he yells something stupid at cameras, and BING! it's his Lee Oswald I'm-just-a-patsy moment.

Right. There are two guys who look exactly like this, and the OTHER ONE is in a Mickey Dees in PA with a pistol, silencer, manifesto and the fake ID used in NYC. Right?

Stupidity permeates American society and it is amplified by social media. How fucking dumb do you have to be to think all of that stuff was planted on a doppelganger?

Occam's Razor, Goddammit!

EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. It's not private, domestic pilots operating drones over parts of the US in order to cause the panic we see in the lemmings in our society. No, it's the US government, or the Chinese or SPACE ALIENS.

I'm embarrassed for people too dull-witted to be embarrassed for themselves.

Oh, wait, I got it! This Mangioni guy is supposed to be so smart, right? OK, so he's faking being crazy in order to not go to jail! It's not like he committed a senseless murder and then allowed himself to be photographed clearly enough to get caught in just a few days, nor did he disappear on his family and friends. It's not like he's REALLY just a bit off his nut. No, he YELLED something at cameras!

It's a PSYOP!!

ANDIJUSTKNOWTHATTHISISSOMEHOWTIEDTOTHOSEDRONES!

Can't you see it????

Have Twitter account, will peddle conspiracy.

It is amazing that you can diagnose schizophrenia without an exam. Even Freud could not do that. Spend time in a courtroom and count the snarling defendants.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
^^^That’s what I figured. Makes me wonder if it would have made any difference if he had been honest with his name and ID. I’d guess it wouldn’t stop the questions and he’d have tripped himself up at some other point.

On a side note, I bought my son’s car at Fred Anderson KIA of Greer SC.

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Originally posted by smlsig:
It looks like the family is very wealthy and ….their money comes from owning a series of health care facilities along with a country club etc.
Luigi is a 10% owner in the family empire…

https://x.com/Dialectiks/status/1866299066470289777

Really, 10%. Do you have a source for that?

He’s one of at least 37 grandchildren. The grandfather, who started with nothing, had 5 sons and 5 daughters. I find it hard to believe Luigi has 10%.

We are making assumptions that he or his parents are wealthy. They showed pictures of the $800,000 house he grew up in. Honestly, it looks like a normal house that might have been $200,000 20 years ago. He attended an expensive high school and an Ivy League University, but we have no idea how either were paid for. He could have been on scholarship for both. I’m serious, figure full price for both undergraduate and graduate school at U-Penn at $500,000 when he attended. The only people I know with a kid going to and Ivy League school live in a house just like that. They can’t afford full price, but their kid puts pucks in a net well.

Did you watch the video I posted where the reporter dug through various filings showing ownership of the family empire??

I did and she said nothing about Luigi owning 10% of the family empire.

Can't be the right guy, because the internet told me the shooter used a Welrod.

Controversial content = clicks = advertisements = $$$

Simple

I understand the concept of engagement farming, but the Broaddrick tweet is just one example. You can find all sorts of examples of that kind of mindless, paranoid shit from people on Twitter who have never earned a single cent from their thousands of posts.

This behavior is not about the almighty dollar. This behavior is attributable to just what I said: rampant stupidity of Americans, amplified by social media.

No one calls people on this idiotic dreck.

Perform a search on the word 'psyop' on Twitter. You'll be able to scroll for days through that crap. Countless clueless people, vomiting up the stupidest shit imaginable, and all of them thinking that those who read their garbage will be impressed at how very wise they are, when in reality, they're parrots with brains the size of a field pea.

^^^ Sounds just like the dumb shit that flood the comments section on the Gateway Pundit.

Honestly he kind of reminds me a bit of the Night Stalker (Richard Ramirez) in some of these pictures. Sadly, even back then there were women going all giggly over his looks. I think when the dust settles we will see Luigi is rather disturbed as well.