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Re-thinking Amazon Key

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May 17, 2018, 09:53 AM
fpuhan
Re-thinking Amazon Key
My first reaction when I heard about Amazon's new "unattended home delivery" offering was, "NFW. I'm not letting any goober enter my home while I'm away." But now I'm having second thoughts. The whole idea may not be so bad after all.

https://www.amazon.com/Introdu...r+lock+home+delivery

Here's the quick feature list:



Now, maybe alone I'd still be wary of implementing a solution like this, but I have security cameras in place that I monitor remotely, and with the combination of both, I think I'd have enhanced security.

Your thoughts? Have I missed the obvious? Or not-so-obvious?




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May 17, 2018, 09:57 AM
Sig2340
You live in Virginia and are okay with random people entering your home when you aren't there?

What part of Virgina is that safe?

I suggest a contractor's steel box, padlocked shut, and chained to some immovable object, like your house.





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May 17, 2018, 09:58 AM
comet24
Assuming since it works with Alexa it's wifi based. What happens when your internet is out? Anything wifi based can be hacked.

Can you op out of delivers being able to open your door and just use the other services it features? Letting people I don't know open my door even if it's just to slip a package in and it's on camera is a huge non-starter for me.


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May 17, 2018, 09:59 AM
220-9er
If I needed to get that much stuff from delivery services, I'd make a large strong box with a lock hasp and leave it on the porch with an unlocked padlock each day.


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May 17, 2018, 10:01 AM
Balzé Halzé
Give Amazon control of my front door? No. Freakin'. Way.


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May 17, 2018, 10:10 AM
BBMW
Want security for your packages? Don't want to give anyone carte blanche access to your house?

Try this:

http://www.dvault.com/
May 17, 2018, 10:16 AM
cslinger
Christ I have family I don’t want to have unfettered access to my house. Family I like.


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May 17, 2018, 10:20 AM
ryan81986
quote:
Originally posted by BBMW:
Want security for your packages? Don't want to give anyone carte blanche access to your house?

Try this:

http://www.dvault.com/


Available on Amazon. Wouldn't it be a bitch if you had that delivered and it got stolen.




May 17, 2018, 10:24 AM
P220 Smudge
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Give Amazon control of my front door? No. Freakin'. Way.


Yeah. Right there with you. I control my front door, not The Borg.


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May 17, 2018, 10:25 AM
cne32507
quote:
Originally posted by comet24:
Assuming since it works with Alexa it's wifi based. What happens when your internet is out? Anything wifi based can be hacked.

Can you op out of delivers being able to open your door and just use the other services it features? Letting people I don't know open my door even if it's just to slip a package in and it's on camera is a huge non-starter for me.

From the OP: "Or, choose to block the in-home delivery feature."
May 17, 2018, 10:29 AM
fpuhan
quote:
Originally posted by comet24:
Assuming since it works with Alexa it's wifi based. What happens when your internet is out? Anything wifi based can be hacked.

Can you op out of delivers being able to open your door and just use the other services it features? Letting people I don't know open my door even if it's just to slip a package in and it's on camera is a huge non-starter for me.


As stated above,

"opt-in to getting Amazon packages securely delivered just inside your front door. Watch your delivery happening live or view a video clip of it later. We’ll send notifications the morning of delivery, just before, and right after. Or, choose to block the in-home delivery feature."

It seems like you can enable the delivery feature at will. Expecting a delivery Friday? Turn on that option during the hours in the notification, turn if off afterwards.




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May 17, 2018, 10:33 AM
arfmel
What could possibly go wrong?
May 17, 2018, 10:49 AM
Leemur
Still a solid “no freakin way” from me.
May 17, 2018, 10:53 AM
signewt
Those virtual-key things are answers to problems I don't have.


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May 17, 2018, 11:01 AM
Birdvol
Not in a billion years.
May 17, 2018, 11:06 AM
konata88
Liberals with the key to my house. Hahahaha.




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May 17, 2018, 11:17 AM
HRK
yeah I'ma thinking thats not for me.

I can see where someone would use it, major city
have deliveries stolen, in some cases Amazon might start requiring it for high risk areas based on historical package delivery issues.
May 17, 2018, 11:42 AM
MNSIG
It would probably be safe where I live, but I don't need it. We order a ton of stuff from Amazon that UPS leaves on the front porch. There have been times when it sat for a few days. No one has ever touched one dang thing in 20 years.

I like living in the country.
May 17, 2018, 11:45 AM
esdunbar
We are in the process of drawing up plans for a new house. One of the things we are doing is putting a door/closet off the garage for amazon key.

That way we can use the service but still not give folks access to our home.
May 17, 2018, 12:45 PM
fpuhan
I think either I'm missing the purpose or others are.

Granting access to your Amazon delivery is only part of the whole product, and an optional one at that.

As I read it, it's essentially a keyless access system that one can control remotely (using a phone, or Amazon's Alexa), and that you can give temporary access to friends, relatives and - optionally - to a delivery service. It's backed up by a camera system that shows you who enters your home and when.

The delivery is specified that it's only left inside the door. No one comes into the house more than it takes to lay a package down out of the way of the door opening. And that activity is videotaped.

If Internet connectivity is disrupted, so is the keyless system. Ergo, disabling Internet disables the key.

Again, I'm just reconsidering it, not trying to sell it. I appreciate the feedback and understand it's not for everyone. I'm just glad folks are posting objections, but some of them are just reactive and emotional. If it turns you off, that's fine. But emotion doesn't sell me.




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