If you want a 10,000 foot view of how we got to where we are, this thread serves as a shining example.

Everyone sheepishly says "THIS HAS TO STOP!!!!" or my personal favorite "THE REPUBLICANS WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".

And when dude comes along with the answer (a1abdj) that fixes it, everyone is all of a sudden "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA That is crazy talk. What about (insert pet demographic here)."

You guys get what you deserve, and it isn't just the republican leadership that isn't willing to do anything to fix it. It is people who think that they should not have to put out one iota because voting is not "convenient" to them. There are plenty of work arounds that could be done that involve the person, an ID and a monitored vote. (IE- go pick up the elderly to take them to vote as EVERY voting place is handicap accessible). I would drive 50 miles in snow drifts if that is what I had to do to cast my vote. And I would do the same thing for anyone who needed the ride to cast their vote as well.

And spare me the whole "voter suppression" and the "where does it end" arguments. People have become soft and they want to exercise their Rights, well as long as it doesn't interfere with Dancing with the Stars and if that's the case, I'm going to need an absentee ballot.

Either decide that you want this shit to stop, or keep rubbing your hands together over it. Either stop handing them ways for voter fraud because "but, but, but" or accept it.

Choose wisely.

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The GOP is utterly worthless. They've sat around doing nothing while the Dems run circles around them. Between election fraud and massive demographic change the democrat party is close to bitch slapping the GOP into complete irrelevance.

Ann Coulter: ‘Trump Will Be The Last Republican President’
In a Nov. 28 interview with Editor in-Chief Alex Marlow on Breitbart News Daily, Coulter said, “Every day, more and more immigrants turn 18 and start voting, canceling out all of your votes. It’s about five more years. Trump will be the last Republican president."

"You think, ‘Oh well, we may get another Supreme Court nomination, that will save us,'" she said. "No, no, the Democrats – as we saw in this last election – they can’t wait 10 years for demographics to change, they have to invent the Russia conspiracy. They’re so upset about this brief interregnum with Donald Trump. No."

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/m...republican-president

An old saying goes "You can do anything you want to, but you can't do everything you want to"

It means you have to make decisions and set priorities.

Similar to "He who defends everything defends nothing"

For a long time I have been very suspicious that there is massive DEM voter fraud that is well organized.

I am in the camp that says we have to sacrifice some "ease of voting" for "make the voting honest"

There should be much more strict control of ballots. There should be a cut off for registering to vote 60 days before an election.

No more same day registration.

Photo ID should be required.

If you don't have ID and aren't registered, you don't vote.

We waste a tremendous of money in govt operations. Some of that waste should be redirected to guarantee the voting system is secure.

Voter fraud should be severely prosecuted.

You can never eliminate voter fraud, but it is so bad now that some of these steps can push things in the right direction.

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Originally posted by jljones:
If you want a 10,000 foot view of how we got to where we are, this thread serves as a shining example.

Everyone sheepishly says "THIS HAS TO STOP!!!!" or my personal favorite "THE REPUBLICANS WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".

And when dude comes along with the answer (a1abdj) that fixes it, everyone is all of a sudden "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA That is crazy talk. What about (insert pet demographic here)."

You guys get what you deserve, ...

So let me ask you a question to which I expect an honest answer. Would you personally be willing to give up your right to vote indefinitely in order to see a1abdj's suggestions put into effect? Your vote. Just yours. You're so willing to give up others I'm just curious if you're willing to make that same sacrifice for yourself.

Me? Maybe I would if I knew it would eliminate 99% of voter fraud and make a difference. I say maybe because I value my vote so much, and that is exactly what you're asking me to give up. My vote.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by jljones:
If you want a 10,000 foot view of how we got to where we are, this thread serves as a shining example.

Everyone sheepishly says "THIS HAS TO STOP!!!!" or my personal favorite "THE REPUBLICANS WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT".

And when dude comes along with the answer (a1abdj) that fixes it, everyone is all of a sudden "WHOA, WHOA, WHOA That is crazy talk. What about (insert pet demographic here)."

You guys get what you deserve, ...

So let me ask you a question to which I expect an honest answer. Would you personally be willing to give up your right to vote indefinitely in order to see a1abdj's suggestions put into effect? Your vote. Just yours. You're so willing to give up others I'm just curious if you're willing to make that same sacrifice for yourself.

Me? Maybe I would if I knew it would eliminate 99% of voter fraud and make a difference. I say maybe because I value my vote so much, and that is exactly what you're asking me to give up. My vote.

Honest answer- Yes, if that is how things were to work out so be it. The fraud has to stop. Period. If not, my missed votes for the rest of my life won't matter to much anyways because the fraud will/would be so great.

Just part of the cat and mouse game. Stop them in one place, they find another way.

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Originally posted by jljones:

Honest answer- Yes, if that is how things were to work out so be it. The fraud has to stop. Period. If not, my missed votes for the rest of my life won't matter to much anyways because the fraud will/would be so great.

I appreciate that.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
There should be one or two days of voting, in person, at a polling place. Only exception would be for members of our military who may mail in theirs.

No early voting, no mail in voting, no vote harvesting, no (much less) fraud.

Well said. I agree completely.



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Honest answer- Yes, if that is how things were to work out so be it. The fraud has to stop. Period.

I want Balzé Halzé to be able to vote. I also want the fraud stopped. I want voting to be meaningful, and not just a useless exercise to be 'gamed' by those with power.
How do we accomplish that? I don't really know.
But I do know that the more we fall for the "count every vote" mantra and make it "easier" to vote we are also making it "easier" to commit fraud. Everyone who is a legal citizen of voting age should be able to vote. Exactly once. Voter verification is the trick.

How does everyone feel about biometrics? I think I have an idea, and I'm probably in the same camp. Nonetheless, it would seem to provide some path to a solution (cost considerations being put aside).

ClearMe is a private company gaining steam for processing travelers more quickly through airports and even some sports venues by using a person's biometrics rather than a physical ID. If they wind up in a few more airports, I am very much considering signing up. And it seems to go a bit further than that. On my recent international flight out of Atlanta, Delta actually scanned my face prior to us boarding. I had my wife and a little traveler with me, and the flight was severely delayed so everything was a rush, so I didn't even consider that I could opt out. Funny thing is is that it recognized me, my wife, and my daughter without us ever showing our boarding passes. WTH? Is it possible that's because we all have global entry and all had our photos taken? I don't know. I don't know how they put my name to my face.

Well anyway I'm rambling. Point being my biometrics seem to be already out there. And whether I like it or not, they seem to do a very effective job of identifying people without having to show an ID. Could work very well for voting, except once again, the issue of privacy and Big Brother having all that personal data should give everyone some pause.

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Could work very well for voting, except once again, the issue of privacy and Big Brother having all that personal data should give everyone some pause.

Not to mention that ability to hack electronics or have some sort of malicious bug inside. So the machine sees you walk up, recognizes it's you, and you choose Trump. The machine says thank you while it records a vote for Hillary.

The only way I would be OK with electronic voting would be if the machine also had a paper register and issued you a receipt. You could match your info on the receipt to the register on the machine. The register on the machine could then be used to verify that electronic record. Everything serialized for verification purposes. The number on your receipt matches the number on the register which matches the number in the machine. Random checks to ensure all 3 match.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Could work very well for voting, except once again, the issue of privacy and Big Brother having all that personal data should give everyone some pause.

Not to mention that ability to hack electronics or have some sort of malicious bug inside. So the machine sees you walk up, recognizes it's you, and you choose Trump. The machine says thank you while it records a vote for Hillary.

The only way I would be OK with electronic voting would be if the machine also had a paper register and issued you a receipt. You could match your info on the receipt to the register on the machine. The register on the machine could then be used to verify that electronic record. Everything serialized for verification purposes. The number on your receipt matches the number on the register which matches the number in the machine. Random checks to ensure all 3 match.

I wasn't talking about electronic voting. I was simply talking about using biometrics to verify one's identity.

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Originally posted by Cousin Vinnie:
Another democrat party SCAM to steal an election. They aren't fooling anyone......

I respectfully beg to differ. They are not fooling anyone here in the thread, but they are fooling a high percentage of the media and public. Most elected officials don't want to be mocked with "every vote should count". How about every legal vote should count, so that fraud does not count "more"?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Not to mention that ability to hack electronics or have some sort of malicious bug inside. So the machine sees you walk up, recognizes it's you, and you choose Trump. The machine says thank you while it records a vote for Hillary.

The only way I would be OK with electronic voting would be if the machine also had a paper register and issued you a receipt. You could match your info on the receipt to the register on the machine. The register on the machine could then be used to verify that electronic record. Everything serialized for verification purposes. The number on your receipt matches the number on the register which matches the number in the machine. Random checks to ensure all 3 match.

Your vote was counted electronically.
And how would you go about verifying that the machine counted your vote properly? My county has 4 million people in it. If just half the people wanted to check their results, you better have voting open for 2+ weeks.
(ETA: I'm not picturing a way for this to be a fast process)

It isn't the vote that counts, it's the count of the votes.

The biggest problem is that right now there doesn't seem to be an aggressive DoJ effort to find the voter fraud criminals and prosecute them.

Just like the DEMs created the "fraud friendly" voting environment one step at a time, we should change that environment step by step.

Voter photo ID
No registering to vote shortly before the election
Monitor the process tightly. Like the REPs did in Broward County.

Most important: after the election go back and investigate the "strange" occurrences and start prosecuting people who cheat.

Do some undercover work to build a case.

As it stands now, there is little incentive for the DEMs not to cheat.

This is becoming ever more important as the illegal alien population keeps swelling.

We need to get that citizenship question on the census.