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November 02, 2023, 01:15 PM
tatortodd
I'll join the not surprised club.
The boys that did this probably blabbed and might find their AI likeness in gay or tranny revenge porn. FAFO.
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November 02, 2023, 02:05 PM
drill sgt
Am really suprised that these types of events have not been happening sooner and with more regularity. And not just high school boys doing the posting but what if the postee was a male.. And would you feel the same if the postee was your daughter or son or someone that you knew. ......................................... drill sgt.This message has been edited. Last edited by: drill sgt,
November 02, 2023, 02:40 PM
12131
The Israeli-Hamas war must be over?
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November 02, 2023, 02:41 PM
Gustofer
While certainly immoral and just not cool, in all seriousness, is such a thing actually illegal? Is there a NJ statute against this sort of thing?
If they're fake, who cares? What harm was done?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not really sure why police are involved.
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November 02, 2023, 02:46 PM
ensigmatic
quote:
Originally posted by 12131: The Israeli-Hamas war must be over?
Nah. This has actually been in the "news" for a couple weeks or more.
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer: If they're fake, who cares? What harm was done?
I had a similar initial reaction. Then I re-thought it. Try to imagine you're a young girl whose face has been morphed onto a credible nude photo/image.
If trying to imagine you're a young girl is too far a stretch, try imagining you're the father of said young girl.
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November 02, 2023, 02:55 PM
1967Goat
Yeah, and if you're the girl, good luck trying to convince someone (future employer, boyfriend, husband, kids) that it's not actually you, but an AI generated image.
November 02, 2023, 03:46 PM
thumperfbc
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
If they're fake, who cares? What harm was done?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not really sure why police are involved.
I don't know if it is illegal or not, but the potential harm done is actually quite a lot, in my view.
November 02, 2023, 03:50 PM
Mutiny
I’d think this is still considered child p0rn as well as defamation of character
November 02, 2023, 04:56 PM
sse
quote:
Originally posted by thumperfbc:
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
If they're fake, who cares? What harm was done?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not really sure why police are involved.
I don't know if it is illegal or not, but the potential harm done is actually quite a lot, in my view.
I agree, not "all in good fun". This is messed up.
November 02, 2023, 05:32 PM
pace40
Kids have been doing this since the first version of Photoshop. The AI monster is what's making it newsworthy. And yes, its bullying at its worst.
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November 02, 2023, 05:42 PM
Scooter123
quote:
Originally posted by pedropcola: If you don't think this is a big deal then you are all fucked up. First off it is probably covered under child pornography. Second off, it has the potential to color this individual for the rest of their lives even though they are completely innocent. This is the worst kind of bullying because you can't even fight back.
Harsh punishments are in order.
I don't know if Child Pornography Laws are up to date enough to make it illegal to posses or produce artificial images depicting child porn. The simple answer is to answer the question if someone uses a brush and paint to produce a depiction of a child being raped is Illegal or Art.
I've stopped counting.
November 02, 2023, 06:00 PM
dsiets
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Originally posted by ensigmatic: If trying to imagine you're a young girl is too far a stretch, try imagining you're the father of said young girl.
This is my first thought. And then the father has family who have nothing to lose if they confront legally the perp or the school. Then other families show up who have kids there... I'm hoping families who children attend this school share their voice.
November 02, 2023, 06:03 PM
nhtagmember
I think ALL of the kids involved should be charged with the manufacture, possession and distribution of child pornography and face the consequences
if they're old enough to use a computer and master the intricacies of the AI program, they're certainly old enough enough to know right from wrong
zero fucks given for the bastards that did this - and I;m sure they won't pay nearly as much as they should but if this is what they do when they're kids (and they get away with it), just imagine what they will be like as adults with the same mindset...
November 02, 2023, 06:03 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by pedropcola: If you don't think this is a big deal then you are all fucked up. First off it is probably covered under child pornography. Second off, it has the potential to color this individual for the rest of their lives even though they are completely innocent. This is the worst kind of bullying because you can't even fight back.
Harsh punishments are in order.
Indeed. And I'll add this, the police better be involved because if they're not, then any real father of a girl falling victim of this depravity is going to serve up justice on his own terms, and that's probably going to end up being a whole lot worse for everyone involved.
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November 02, 2023, 06:08 PM
sadlerbw
quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer: While certainly immoral and just not cool, in all seriousness, is such a thing actually illegal? Is there a NJ statute against this sort of thing?
If they're fake, who cares? What harm was done?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm not really sure why police are involved.
The law isn’t settled on this sort of stuff yet, but it is possible that something like this might constitute slander or possibly libel. Depending on the age of the person used, some folks have been discussing if child pornography laws apply or not. The legal systems hasn’t figured out where the lines are with AI generated images compared to photographs, paintings, etc. created by a person.
Imagining someone naked in your head is ok. Taking pictures of someone naked and distributing them without their consent is not. Making a painting of someone you know as you imagine they would look naked is in the middle, and may or may not be ok depending on the details. Having an AI do the artwork instead of drawing it yourself is likely in that same grey area where the details can make it go either way.
- Bret
November 02, 2023, 06:15 PM
parabellum
It seems to me that there are some ways to minimize this kind of thing:
No "free" online software. In order to use it, you must have a paid subscription.
Two-factor authentication to log in. When you log in to your account, you must be authenticated with your phone number.
VPN and proxy server connections disallowed. No concealment of actual location of users.
All AI images encrypted with a unique, embedded signature, tied to the author of images. Of course, making screenshots of these images and distributing them would defeat this, but if there is a repository of all created images, they could be traced back to their author.
Absent things such as this, we will come to a point where no responsible person will allow images of themselves or their children to be published online, and that would mean the end of Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, SnapChat and all the rest of that crap. Since this would mean a loss of revenue streams, it won't happen, and that brings us full circle for the need to impose restrictive policies on AI image creation.
Kaczynski was ahead of his time, wasn't he? Not for his killing and maiming of innocent people, but rather, his POV about technology ultimately destroying society.
November 02, 2023, 06:23 PM
tatortodd
quote:
Originally posted by sadlerbw: The law isn’t settled on this sort of stuff yet, but it is possible that something like this might constitute slander or possibly libel. Depending on the age of the person used, some folks have been discussing if child pornography laws apply or not. The legal systems hasn’t figured out where the lines are with AI generated images compared to photographs, paintings, etc. created by a person.
Imagining someone naked in your head is ok. Taking pictures of someone naked and distributing them without their consent is not. Making a painting of someone you know as you imagine they would look naked is in the middle, and may or may not be ok depending on the details. Having an AI do the artwork instead of drawing it yourself is likely in that same grey area where the details can make it go either way.
- Bret
I certainly wouldn't want to be the parent(s) of the little pervert(s) and footing the legal bill to be the guinea pig for the courts to figure this out.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity
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November 02, 2023, 07:25 PM
92fstech
Our state law just changed to cover stuff like this under the child porn statute. It doesn't have to be an actual photo, a computer-generated image or a digitized image is enough to satisfy the statute.
