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Gee, if it's a choice between updating a Senate rule, or handing the leftists an unearned victory in exchange for exactly nothing.... I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about a difficult decision.  | |||
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These red state Democrats know that 2018 is going to be a challenge. In some cases, it shouldn’t shock us if they find themselves in the fight for their political lives. McCaskill is walking the tightrope, but new audio obtained by the Missouri Republican Party from a fundraiser with the Democratic senator shows that she knows the dangers of this filibuster game Schumer has his caucus playing with Republicans (via Kansas City Star) : “The Gorsuch situation is really hard. There are going to be people in this room that are going to say, ‘No, no, no. You cannot vote for Gorsuch,’ ” McCaskill said in the recording. “Let’s assume for the purposes of this discussion that we turn down Gorsuch, that there are not eight Democrats that vote to confirm him and therefore there’s not enough to put him on the Supreme Court. What then?” She pointed to the list of potential nominees that Trump released before the election to galvanize conservative support. “By the way, Gorsuch was one of the better ones,” McCaskill quipped. “So they pick another one off the list and then they bring it over to the Senate and we say no, no, no, this one’s worse. And there’s not enough votes to confirm him. They’re not going to let us do that too long before they move it to 51 votes,” she said. […] McCaskill made a distinction between using the filibuster to block Gorsuch, who would replace Scalia, arguably the court’s most conservative justice during his tenure, and using it to block a nominee if one of the court’s more liberal or centrist justices dies or retires. “So they move it to 51 votes and they confirm either Gorsuch or they confirm the one after Gorsuch,” she continued. “They go on the Supreme Court and then, God forbid, Ruth Bader Ginsburg dies, or (Anthony) Kennedy retires or (Stephen) Breyer has a stroke or is no longer able to serve. Then we’re not talking about Scalia for Scalia, which is what Gorsuch is, we’re talking about Scalia for somebody on the court who shares our values. And then all of a sudden the things I fought for with scars on my back to show for it in this state are in jeopardy." Alas, some reason from the other side. Sen. McCaskill knows that it’s best to keep the powder dry in case of a second vacancy, where the balance of the Court would be at stake for liberals. This all-in mentality over a conservative replacing a conservative isn’t smart strategy and she knows that, but like all politicians, McCaskill wants to be re-elected. She’s definitely on the chopping block—and Democrats have become an endangered species in this area of the country. In neighboring Arkansas, Mark Pryor lasted as long as he could before losing to Sen. Tom Cotton in 2014. McCaskill survived in 2012 due to Republican opponent Todd Akin making a horrible remark about rape that spilled over to other races as well. It may not be so easy a re-election ride since Republicans had worked on gaffe-proofing their candidates. They deployed this strategy in 2014. The result was a GOP takeover of the Senate. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...e-in-jeopar-n2306784 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Not really. Its just more political theater. Nine Dem's are not going to cross over and vote for Gorsuch, so these two can vote for him knowing full well and good their votes won't get him confirmed and the Repub's will still have to go nuclear to get it done. Wanna bet how much these two nitwits will scream with the other Dem's after the senate rules are changed to confirm Gorsuch even though they voted for him? Just more of the same nonsense out of both political parties. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Get in line... ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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My sincere apologies for not keeping up with this, but a question about the time line here. Is all this on schedule or have the Demoshits extended the vote past the time it should have taken place?? IOW, should Gorsuch have already be on the bench given past confirmation time lines? "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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I don't think the time from nomination to confirmation has been unduly lengthy, given the gravity. It can be if one of these Senatots exercises the privilege to postpone a vote or objects, IOW, game playing with the rules. Wikipedia says this:
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^ Thank you, oh wise, sage one.  Really hope you're feeling better!!!"If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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I guess schmucky knows at least something about the constitution, he just chooses to ignore it when it fits his agenda. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Seems to be a pattern with "THAT" side, doesn't it? "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Put the man in & let's get back to the business of running the country! | |||
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It's a living document to be interpreted as the needs of the country and development of our culture demand. Get with the program! Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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But only by our liberal/progressive superiors. That's the most important part for all of us to understand. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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I'd like to see that and see the Republicans attempt to reverse the nuclear option the Dems exercised.
FSVO "normalcy"
Schmucky should try reading the Constitution, sometime. Or, better yet, just FOAD. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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I predict that enough Democrats will cross over to confirm Gorsuch. Schumer is terrified by the nuclear option – he'll let enough Dems cross over to prevent that. Serious about crackers | |||
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It's time to ditch the so-called filibuster: ... not everyone is opposed to "going nuclear". Former Representative Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.) said the filibuster was created to protect the minority party “in extreme circumstances” but has morphed into a partisan tool that simply creates deadlock in Washington D.C. “It’s become so common place to block just about everything including even appropriation bills so that the Congress can’t get its work done. The filibuster as it’s currently used has really worn out its welcome,” he said in an interview. Meanwhile, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) has also called on Republicans to ditch the filibuster saying “my biggest concern is that they not allow some of these arcane rules that have nothing to do with the Constitution." Harry Reid was also a big fan of eliminating the filibuster, saying “You can’t have a democracy decided by 60 out of 100, and that’s why changing the rules is one of the best things that has happened to America in a long time." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/...sform-senate-forever "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Dems hit the magic number today - it's up to Mitch and the RINOs now. Democrats Have The Votes To Filibuster Neil Gorsuch WASHINGTON ― Democrats have locked in the votes to block Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch, meaning Republicans will have to take the extreme step of blowing up Senate rules to confirm him. Democratic lawmakers have been vowing for weeks to deny a vote to President Donald Trump’s court pick, and have been inching closer to the 41 members they need to filibuster him. They hit the magic number on Monday when Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) announced he will join the blockade. The news means Republicans have a choice: cave to Democrats’ demands that Trump put forward a different nominee (highly unlikely) or unilaterally change the rules so they can confirm Gorsuch without Democrats (likely). It currently takes 60 votes to advance a Supreme Court nominee. Republicans appear ready to use a procedural maneuver to lower that threshold to 51 votes. Nobody really likes the idea of changing that rule. There’s currently a filibuster rule in place for advancing Supreme Court nominees and for passing bills (Democrats got rid of the rule for lower court nominees in 2013). If Republicans eliminate the 60-vote requirement for Gorsuch, some fear it’s only a matter of time until senators do away with the filibuster rule altogether. That would make the Senate function a lot more like the House, where simple majority rules, and erode the institution of the Senate, which prides itself on requiring consensus to get things done. “It makes me very sad,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said last week. Partisan tensions are high. Democrats are still mad at Republicans for the way they treated President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland. The GOP spent all last year refusing to even give Garland a hearing, and held over the vacant Supreme Court seat for Trump to fill with Gorsuch. Democrats are also under intense pressure from their base to stop Gorsuch. Republicans, meanwhile, are angry that Democrats are forcing them to decide between confirming Gorsuch and gutting Senate rules they actually like. Gorsuch appears on track for his procedural vote, the “cloture” vote that Democrats plan to filibuster, on Thursday. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Mitch McConnell: 'Neil Gorsuch Will Be Confirmed This Week' Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told NBC's Chuck Todd that "Neil Gorsuch will be confirmed this week." He seems confident that whether it's with the Democrats playing by the rules or not, they will get him confirmed. McConnell continued, "How many of them [Democrats] are willing to oppose cloture on a partisan basis to kill a Supreme Court nominee? Never happened before in history, in the whole history of the country." He also commented that it was Senate Minority Leader Schumer (D-NY) who first filibustered on a SCOTUS nominee, and that up until then judges were given a simple up-or-down vote. So he really explained that it has been Democrats, both in the past and now, who have screwed up our justice-confirming process. https://pjmedia.com/video/mitc...confirmed-this-week/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I've been glad to hear him make definitive, non-squishy statements on this. Now that the dems have confirmed that they have the numbers to filibuster, we will see if he is a man of his word. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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If it makes John McCain "very sad,” ... I'm in favor!  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Prozac John, take lots of Prozac. Another procedural question for those in the know. Since Dem's have already tipped their hat that they will filibuster, why doesn't McConnell simply go ahead and change the senate rules now, and vote on confirmation today? Why wait and allow the Dem's to drive the narrative on this for the next four days? ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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