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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Whatever money you’re not spending on the NRA, divert it to the GOA. Life member since 1999 here. They’re more aggressive than the NRA.

I'd replace GOA with 2AF.

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Originally posted by flesheatingvirus:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Whatever money you’re not spending on the NRA, divert it to the GOA. Life member since 1999 here. They’re more aggressive than the NRA.

I'd replace GOA with 2AF.

I’m with the trifecta. GOA, 2AF and JPFO

If the NRA went defunct all of the NRA certified instructors here in MA couldn't teach the NRA classes which is needed to get new people certified and then able to apply for a gun license. Most people take their classes from NRA instructors. There are other courses available but not as many available and not as convenient or local to the students.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I’m with the trifecta. GOA, 2AF and JPFO

GOA has always been the national alternative to the NRA, recognizing the NRA has its hands in the pockets of the firearms manufacturers and not necessarily looking out for the rights of the citizenry. The NRA is well connected with industry, has a massive legal team and a robust lobbying resources in Congress, thus, they were given legitimacy by many states by having the NRA take the lead in writing and crafting state/county safety courses.

2AF focused more on local/regional issues, which are much more impactful and relevant, since NRA only takes on local issues if they rise to national attention...waiting for a response to Virginia . However given 2AF's growth the last 20-years, they've been able to give attention to national cases as well.

The JPFO, I believe they're more a grassroots, regional community organization, maybe some members can chime in. I know Alan Gotlieb who founded 2AF, is also an executive with JPFO so, one may be more focused on the legal proceedings whereas the other may be more about promoting gun ownership to the public.

Ironically, in today's mail, I got an NRA offer (with a FREE Knife, too!) It was the 2020 gun owner survey.
with a postage-paid return envelope.
So I sent it back, with a large note. Call me when Wayne is Gone!
And keep your POS knife.

And in unrelated news, LaPierre was spotted wearing a new custom-made Italian suit.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
They don't need to cut salaries. They just need to cut Wayne.

I agree with Para on this. I still am mad about his "Jack Booted Thugs" statements regarding the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge. I back Law Enforcement.

I get daily (sometimes twice daily) emails from them. It all makes me wonder if the NRA isn't "The organization who cried wolf".

Ugh, I couldn't even finish reading the article before feeling compelled to suggest the first thing they should do is get rid of LaPierre.

Bit top heavy, still. Try again.

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
They don't need to cut salaries. They just need to cut Wayne.

I agree with Para on this. I still am mad about his "Jack Booted Thugs" statements regarding the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge. I back Law Enforcement.

I get daily (sometimes twice daily) emails from them. It all makes me wonder if the NRA isn't "The organization who cried wolf".

A little thread drift but you side with law enforcement on Ruby Ridge and Waco?

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Originally posted by mrvmax:

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
They don't need to cut salaries. They just need to cut Wayne.

I agree with Para on this. I still am mad about his "Jack Booted Thugs" statements regarding the Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge. I back Law Enforcement.

I get daily (sometimes twice daily) emails from them. It all makes me wonder if the NRA isn't "The organization who cried wolf".

A little thread drift but you side with law enforcement on Ruby Ridge and Waco?

It's not really thread drift, since Great Value Stephen King was right on that count, much like a broken clock.

Then again, Maybe Vicki Weaver was asking for it, and them kids got roasted for The Greater Good. Hmm, nah, just because someone wears a badge doesn't mean they're a good guy. Fuck those puppy poppers.

I gave up on the NRA when they refused to fight the bumpstock ban making me feel that they would compromise on our rights. I went with GOA.

I'm a life member of both GOA and NRA but the NRA has pissed me off with a board that is so large

by reference, there is a very small company you might have heard of called ExxonMobil - their board is 19 members....

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
A little thread drift but you side with law enforcement on Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Not so much Ruby Ridge, but the Branch Davidians were served a lawful warrant and failed to comply. If they cared about the women and kids they would have complied. Just my opinion.

The NRA is a business. The product they provide is supposed to be political lobbying for gun rights, and other benefits to their gun owner customers. They are failing to provide the service that the members are paying for. Being a "nonprofit" just means that they spend all the money they take in and do not return any profits to shareholders, it does not mean that they don't piss money away needlessly. If you don't like the way they operate or who they employ, don't give them any money. The field where my fucks are grown is barren.

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
A little thread drift but you side with law enforcement on Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Not so much Ruby Ridge, but the Branch Davidians were served a lawful warrant and failed to comply. If they cared about the women and kids they would have complied. Just my opinion.

They could have nabbed Koresh while he was out and about by himself, but they chose not to. Instead, corrupt Clinton and Reno wanted a show of force. FUCK.THEM. I back law enforcement, too, but I won't blindly give them a free pass, when they fuck things up.

There have actually been some subtantial legislative victories in placed like California, Hawaii and New York. NRA money was involved in much of it. I belong to most of the national and state pro 2nd ammendment groups. I will will ignore the stench, hold my nose and send them my membership money. I hope that Wayne and RBG retire soon and go on vacation together or something.

I know Larry Pratt and his son, Erich are both employed by GOA. I also know one of the daughters or granddaughters are employed by GOA. I do not know how they got those jobs. I wonder how many of the people here who are fired up about Wayne Lapierre's salary know how much the Pratts make? I wonder if the GOA has any kind of elections? I wonder how long the Pratts have controlled the GOA? I wonder if you looked at salary paid per dues paying member, how the Pratt's pay would compare to Wayne Lapierre's? I wonder what someone managing a company the same size as the NRA in private industry makes? I wonder if all of the people here that are not giving to the NRA are giving to other pro-gun causes? I live near Washington, D.C. and very seldom hear any of the anti-gunners complaining about GOA. I do not know where the GOA headquarters is, but I am not aware of any anti-gunners protesting in front of it. I used to shoot at the old NRA headquarters in Washington, D.C. I have shot at the new headquarters in VA. I am not aware of any GOA ranges. I have been to the Museum at both the old and new NRA Headquarters. I am not aware of the GOA Museum. I have been to several NRA Annual Meetings. I am unaware of where the GOA has their annual meeting and election of officers. I think these may be things to consider before you abandon the NRA.

The NRA needs new leadership. Everyone knows it. Then there is some house-cleaning to be done, to get back on mission.

The leader should not be an insider lobbyist, but a person of national stature and a believer in the Second Amendment. There is a host of potential leaders available who could fill the job and bring the NRA back from its death spiral.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Rolan_Kraps:

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
A little thread drift but you side with law enforcement on Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Not so much Ruby Ridge, but the Branch Davidians were served a lawful warrant and failed to comply. If they cared about the women and kids they would have complied. Just my opinion.

They could have nabbed Koresh while he was out and about by himself, but they chose not to. Instead, corrupt Clinton and Reno wanted a show of force. FUCK.THEM. I back law enforcement, too, but I won't blindly give them a free pass, when they fuck things up.

I was trying to not get off topic so a little thread drift. Waco was a publicity stunt for the govt that went bad. I still have a VHS on the event, here are some details as presented in the video. The govt notified the media, supposedly the ATF was trying to get funding. Second, a Flir expert (I think he was the inventor) reviewed the footage and describes how when they caught the place on fire the govt was shooting into the compound, shots were clearly fired into it and not coming from it. They were trying to kill everyone. Third, the govt refused to let the Texas Rangers investigate insinuating a cover up. It’s been years since I watched the video but that’s from memory. Some info from the video may be wrong but there was enough to show it was a cover up. I’ll admit the BD were not right in opening fire but it was a govt overreach. I don’t side with law enforcement on this one.

Also, Ironworker brought up some good questions on the GOA.

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