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thanks. are these examples of what I should be looking for?




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A used Questor is under $3000. Small, self-contained solar filter (Ultra Important to use when solar viewing)and zoom eyepiece, clock drive (car battery will work) and in a carry case. Powerful enough to see the division of Saturn's rings. Will accept (with adaptor) many brands of cameras.
Its folded optics, if unfolded would make it about 33" long. Also excellent for birding and other terrestrial sights.
Good luck.


In my opinion it's immoral to buy a Questar unless you've been lusting for one for over 50 years, from the time you were in high school and looking at the ads in Scientific American. The Questar is too perfect for a beginner. Wink

BUT those 8-inch Schmidt-Cassegrains by Celestron and Meade are great scopes for beginning amateurs. Buying a whole kit gives you the mount (even a computer-controlled GOTO mount), diagonal, eyepieces. And if you decide you don't like it, you can resell it for about the same price.

These are like exercise bikes--a lot of people buy them, then they sit in the garage unused.


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Yes. An 8" Celestron or Meade will get you started. You can pick them up used for less than $1,000, as shown above. I have seen the rings of Saturn easily with mine, and Jupiter and four of its moons. I have the Nexstar 8SE. Solar filter for less than $75, and perhaps add the Starsense like I did, and you are good to go. Get an app or two, and you are off and running. Easy to keep sinking money into them--better eyepieces, Li-ion battery packs, Telrad finder scope, but those are bonuses.
 
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Funny that post is up just last weekend my friend turned me on to the app skyview and now I think I want scope to see how into I will remain.
I would look for pre owned but don't know what brands are good crap easy complicated My needs would be a pure beginner and move up from there should I get the bug...


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Ask which telescope companies are the best and you are going to get widely different opinions based upon owners' experiences and biases.

All of this is made worse because most consumers don't know what's really going on with manufacturers. They don't release a lot of info. Thus there's a ton of speculation.

Orion, Sky Watcher, and Celestron are Chinese made scopes, and I believe all are actually made at the same plant (Synta). There are some differences between them. For instance, the computer programs which run their go to mounts are slightly different.

While they are relatively cheap and Chinese, they are generally well received and there's a metric ton of them out there being used nightly with good results.

Kind of like Glocks.
I wouldn't go for anything cheaper than any of those.

Meade, Explore Scientific, and William Optics are also Chinese scopes, but from a different optical plant. There are many who feel like these three are better than Synta products, but also many who feel they are all the same.

Stellarvue is a US company, which apparently imports its optical tubes from China, but then goes over them and adjusts issues, or rejects ones which don't meet their standards. They also apparently make some of their own in-house.

Again, a lot of this is conjecture, these companies don't spell most of this out.

Getting to some serious $ now.

Televue (mentioned as a good scope by another member earlier in the thread)is a higher end company. Many steps above all of the others I've listed so far.

Takahashi is a Japanese brand which is also on the high end of things.

Astrophysics and TEC are both small, American companies which are making scopes here in the US. They are majorly expensive and in the case of Astrophysics, there's a 10 year waiting list to get a new one from the company (used ones show up on the classifieds though)

I started with a Celestron NexStar 6SE. It's got a great computerized go to system to get you on your target, and can do things like take you on surveys of objects.

It gives great views of the Moon, and planets (Venus, Jupiter, Saturn). Never tried the Sun.

Nowadays i'm primarily doing astrophotography and it's pretty useless for that. So I'm running a Takahashi.

Personally, if you are brand new, and not sure how much you are going to want to do, there's nothing wrong with starting off with one of the Chinese Synta products.

If you're looking at solar system objects, either a good refractor or SCT would work well. If you want galaxies and nebula and such, a large reflecting scope would typically work better (with a lot of variables to consider though)

You can find them used on classifieds, but also many of the larger online telescope dealers will have some used ones for sale which were traded in.

Check out OPT and High Point Scientific and Woodland Hills.

Best of luck
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I have purchased from both OPT and Woodland Hills - been to both of their locations

I usually stop in at OPT when I am traveling from LA to San Diego on business

my personal opinion is you will get better support, better advice and a better price at OPT



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Fantastic info. I am generally averse to PRC products so if there is an opportunity to get equal/better products that are non-PRC for incrementally more cost, I'd consider it.

I'm still following-up on the above to determine what my needs might be (size and type of scope and target price range for decent quality).

Will look into Televue and Takahashi to see if thy are affordable for me. Used may be cost effective but I would have no idea how to check them out so certified / refurb'ed at a dealer would be safer.

It's curious why lens makers like Nikon, Canon or Minolta aren't more prominent here.




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Originally posted by ccmdfd:
Ask which telescope companies are the best and you are going to get widely different opinions based upon owners' experiences and biases.

All of this is made worse because most consumers don't know what's really going on with manufacturers. They don't release a lot of info. Thus there's a ton of speculation.

Orion, Sky Watcher, and Celestron are Chinese made scopes, and I believe all are actually made at the same plant (Synta). There are some differences between them. For instance, the computer programs which run their go to mounts are slightly different.

While they are relatively cheap and Chinese, they are generally well received and there's a metric ton of them out there being used nightly with good results.

Kind of like Glocks.
I wouldn't go for anything cheaper than any of those.

Meade, Explore Scientific, and William Optics are also Chinese scopes, but from a different optical plant. There are many who feel like these three are better than Synta products, but also many who feel they are all the same.

Stellarvue is a US company, which apparently imports its optical tubes from China, but then goes over them and adjusts issues, or rejects ones which don't meet their standards. They also apparently make some of their own in-house.

Again, a lot of this is conjecture, these companies don't spell most of this out.

Getting to some serious $ now.

Televue (mentioned as a good scope by another member earlier in the thread)is a higher end company. Many steps above all of the others I've listed so far.

Takahashi is a Japanese brand which is also on the high end of things.

Astrophysics and TEC are both small, American companies which are making scopes here in the US. They are majorly expensive and in the case of Astrophysics, there's a 10 year waiting list to get a new one from the company (used ones show up on the classifieds though)

I started with a Celestron NexStar 6SE. It's got a great computerized go to system to get you on your target, and can do things like take you on surveys of objects.

It gives great views of the Moon, and planets (Venus, Jupiter, Saturn). Never tried the Sun.

Nowadays i'm primarily doing astrophotography and it's pretty useless for that. So I'm running a Takahashi.

Personally, if you are brand new, and not sure how much you are going to want to do, there's nothing wrong with starting off with one of the Chinese Synta products.

If you're looking at solar system objects, either a good refractor or SCT would work well. If you want galaxies and nebula and such, a large reflecting scope would typically work better (with a lot of variables to consider though)

You can find them used on classifieds, but also many of the larger online telescope dealers will have some used ones for sale which were traded in.

Check out OPT and High Point Scientific and Woodland Hills.

Best of luck
cc


Great post cc!
Now a little lesson in the numbers on the various scopes WTD+F do they mean?
ie 120mm 700mm? Reflector refractor?

I never did this in my life will you weigh in on something like this?
70mm Astronomical Refractor Telescope Refractive Eyepieces Tripod Beginners


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I would get the book jhe suggested on pg.1, and/or books like it.
You will probably want them anyway for the amount of other content they cover for the hobby.

Why? I'm a dobsonian fan and you're probably going, "a what?"
 
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In addition to the recommended book,
check https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9d0292TBMHo

While it's aimed at astrophotographers, he does a great job explaining things.
Keep in mind that what's good for astrophotography usually isn't good for visual observing.
 
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Here's a great internet resource:

Sky and Telescope: Astronomy for Beginners

It will introduce you to what to look for in the sky as well as selection of telescopes. Lots of links to go deeper, which you always can with Sky and Telescope. There are video as well as written guides on choosing a telescope.


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Thanks much! I've got a lot of studying to do.




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Take your time! Learning about it is half the fun!


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I have 3 Lunt solar scopes a 50mm and a two 60mm. I have recently decided to sell the 50 and one of my 60mm. Please email me if you are interested.

I am only selling single stack scopes. I will keep my double stack filter. With a double stack filter you can se awesome surface details.

If you are not interested in my scopes it is ok. I will be happy to answer any solar observing questions you may have. I have been looking at solar prominances and surface details for more than 5 years.

The Lunt telescopes are dedicated for solar viewing. I also have several night time telescopes and would be happy to discuss that with you also via email or phone.
 
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I have been dabbling in amateur astronomy for many years. There is great information in the above posts. I might add a good pair of binoculars pointed at the Milky Way will amaze you with what is visible. A lounge chair with arms to steady yours will facilitate binocular viewing.

The only other thing I might add is another excellent beginning astronomy book
“NightWatch” by Terrence Dickinson

Warning: Viewing the Universe is addicting but tend to make one feel really small..


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