Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Dead at 87

September 23, 2020, 02:43 PM

Murkowski is under a lot of pressure, Collins too. Not counting Romney, who I think is GTG, these two Senators have a make-or-break career situation here. Murkowski voted "present" for the Kavanaugh confirmation, basically a neutral vote. She's not up for re-election in this cycle, but she is in two years.

September 23, 2020, 02:52 PM

Il Cattivo

I disagree. I think that it looks like Trump will get at least 50+1 votes for his next nominee, which takes all of the pressure off of Collins and Murkowski. Both of them are free to vote "no" if they really feel the need to signal their independence. Both of them can explain voting "yes" by telling those of their constituents who are pissed off about it that the nomination was going to go through anyway and that this was a way to build the goodwill that would allow Collins or Murkowski to make other votes go their way. If their votes don't actually make or break a confirmation, its perfect cover for whatever they want to do.

September 23, 2020, 03:08 PM

slosig

quote:
However, in this election, holding the Senate is arguably more important than keeping Trump. The dems will almost certainly keep the house this round. I think Trump will win, but it could be uncomfortably close. If he goes down to defeat, we will need every Senator we can find, as the legislative filibuster will likely follow the judicial filibuster into the trashcan of history if the pricks win.

I don’t disagree with anything else, and I don’t read tea leaves well enough to know for sure, but I certainly hope you’re wrong. I hope that the Dems and their minions (Belligerent Lying Marxist, Antifa, the Loot & Scoot crowd, Riots-R-Us, etc) have shown what loons they are enough to turn enough moderate stomachs of both the right and the left to get them a good shellacking on all three fronts: White House, Senate, and the House. It may be that you’re right, but I sure hope you’re wrong on this.

September 23, 2020, 03:11 PM

oddball

There is pressure, because there is definite momentum for Trump and the senators that will support him in this fight to fill Ginsburg seat. The fact she is waffling now shows this. To vote against this may work against Mukowski in regards to her home state, her record showing her to support Democrats more and more each term. She has usually run in a 3-way race for her seat, and in 2 years, it may not work out if she blows this chance to get a another conservative on SCOTUS. The senate does not need her vote at this point, but voter in two years may remember.

Collins is in a really tight race right now to save her job, and I don't think she really knows which way to go.

September 23, 2020, 03:23 PM

bigdeal

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
There is pressure, because there is definite momentum for Trump and the senators that will support him in this fight to fill Ginsburg seat. The fact she is waffling now shows this. To vote against this may work against Mukowski in regards to her home state, her record showing her to support Democrats more and more each term. She has usually run in a 3-way race for her seat, and in 2 years, it may not work out if she blows this chance to get a another conservative on SCOTUS. The senate does not need her vote at this point, but voter in two years may remember.

Collins is in a really tight race right now to save her job, and I don't think she really knows which way to go.

Consider too that 'if' the senate Repubs pick up a seat or two in this election, which is very possible, and expand their majority, Murkowski and Collins votes in the future become almost irrelevant. Not a good place to position yourself with constituents who want a senator that actually isn't a pariah in Washington. The folks in Utah should have fully learned that lesson at this point with Mittens. Personally, I think if Murkowski votes present again, or Collins runs and hides on this vote, they both eventually lose their seats in their next elections.

September 23, 2020, 04:39 PM

Muddflap

This one made me smile.

September 23, 2020, 05:19 PM

craigcpa

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:
...these two Senators have a make-or-break career situation here.

And here’s the problem. Being a senator, representative, or ANY politician shouldn’t be a “career.” Do the job you were voted to do and get done!

September 23, 2020, 06:57 PM

nhtagmember

quote:
Originally posted by oddball:

Collins is in a really tight race right now to save her job, and I don't think she really knows which way to go.

she should consider what is right and best for the country, not herself

she is supposed to be a leader of this country

if she can't do that, then she needs to be removed and get someone who can

September 23, 2020, 07:45 PM

vthoky

quote:
Originally posted by craigcpa:
Being a senator, representative, or ANY politician shouldn’t be a “career.” Do the job you were voted to do and get done!

Amen, brother.

Term. Limits.

September 24, 2020, 02:12 PM

flashguy

quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:

Lisa Murkowski:

“We don’t have a nominee yet. You and I don’t know who that is. And so I can’t confirm whether or not I can confirm a nominee when I don’t know who the nominee is.”

Bullshit, lady. You have the list just like the rest of the country.

She's worried about Roe vs. Wade, and only some of those on the list are on record as against it.

flashguy

September 24, 2020, 03:25 PM

chellim1

quote:
She's worried about Roe vs. Wade, and only some of those on the list are on record as against it.

Isn't it strange that a 1973 SC decision is still the most fiercely contested issue every time there is an opening on the SC?
Maybe that right there tells you something about that decision and that it's not really settled law.

I'm still of the opinion that Federalism is the way to go, leave it up to the will of the people in the several States. It's not an issue that has been decided successfully by nine in black robes. It's a political issue and should be decided by the people.

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor

September 24, 2020, 03:28 PM

Hunthelp

My wife told me the RBG casket on display doesn’t have her body in it. She said Jewish rules call for a body to be buried within 24 hours of death.
My wife is not Jewish, but was a music leader at a Synagogue for a number of years.
What do our Jewish forum members think?

September 24, 2020, 03:30 PM

parabellum

Goop Spader Hindenburg

September 24, 2020, 03:59 PM

SIG228

quote:
Originally posted by Hunthelp:
My wife told me the RBG casket on display doesn’t have her body in it. She said Jewish rules call for a body to be buried within 24 hours of death.
My wife is not Jewish, but was a music leader at a Synagogue for a number of years.
What do our Jewish forum members think?

I'm not Jewish, but my take on it is, who cares, the best outcome still occurred.

September 24, 2020, 04:01 PM

ChicagoSigMan

quote:
Originally posted by Hunthelp:
My wife told me the RBG casket on display doesn’t have her body in it. She said Jewish rules call for a body to be buried within 24 hours of death.
My wife is not Jewish, but was a music leader at a Synagogue for a number of years.
What do our Jewish forum members think?

Jewish law does call for a burial 24 hours after death, but Jewish law calls for a lot of things that modern Jews don't do. It's getting rarer and rarer for all but the most orthodox Jews to strictly adhere to this law. My mom was buried 3 days after her death due to logistics of transporting her from FL to her resting place in IL.

I don't know how orthodox or religious RBG was, but given her national prominence, it wouldn't surprise me if her final wishes included approval of lying in state.

I think if she had been buried already, we would know about it.

September 24, 2020, 04:06 PM

P220 Smudge

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Goop Spader Hindenburg

Roof Hater Limburg?

September 24, 2020, 04:15 PM

Ackks

I've never had love for the Huffington Post, but they ran a story today about a lady becoming a member of a devil worshiping temple because RBG died. That is news worthy? Our society is in trouble.

September 24, 2020, 04:17 PM

rsbolo

quote:
Originally posted by Ackks:
I've never had love for the Huffington Post, but they ran a story today about a lady becoming a member of a devil worshiping temple because RBG died. That is news worthy? Our society is in trouble.

Was she trying to commune with RBG?