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Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Dead at 87

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September 20, 2020, 04:09 PM
Ackks
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Dead at 87
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There Can Be No 'Grand Bargain' Over the Supreme Court Seat, Republicans Better Realize That

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., listens as Senate Minority Leader Sen. Chuck Schumer of N.Y., speaks to media on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Aug. 5, 2020. Some clarity is beginning to emerge from the bipartisan Washington talks on a huge COVID-19 response bill. An exchange of offers and meeting devoted to the Postal Service on Wednesday indicates the White House is moving slightly in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s direction on issues like aid to states and local governments and unemployment insurance benefits. But the negotiations have a long ways to go. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

As the tensions begin to boil over regarding replacing Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court, the hot takes have started to flow from various corners. While most Republicans seem to be resolute in their desire to do their duty and fill the seat, others are suggesting that a “grand bargain” be struck that would prevent the filling of the seat.

While Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski have already given away the farm without any preconditions because they are awful, useless politicians, there are also ideas like this being floated. The idea that Republicans “trade” not vote on a nominee for meaningless promises from Democrats that they won’t pack the court

There’s a deal to be had if four senators from each party agree — allowing the next president to pick RBG’s replacement in exchange for not expanding the court. https://t.co/sAgp0WFyDq

— Eric Columbus (@EricColumbus) September 20, 2020

It makes no sense at all. It's handing Democrats leverage they don't actually have and hoping they keep their word while the GOP gives up a once in a multi-generation opportunity to do exactly what they've campaigned on for decades.

— Bonchie (@bonchieredstate) September 20, 2020

As you can see from my response above, I’m not a fan of this idea.

In fact, I think it’s one of the dumbest political suggestions I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s basically negotiating with a person threatening to blow your brains out with a gun that has no bullets. Not only should something like court packing not be ceded as a negotiating tool because it’s so illegitimate, but Democrats have no leverage anyway.

They do not hold the Senate. But let’s game this out and say they take over in 2021 with a two seat majority, which would be an absolute blow-out for them given current projections. The likelihood that they’d get a majority to vote to pack the court is close to zero. There would be far too many red-state Democrats whose necks are on the line to make a move like that. In other words, even given the rosiest outcome in November for Schumer’s party, he still has no real leverage here.

You know what you do with people who are bad faith actors and have no leverage? You ignore them. You let them throw their fit and you move forward with the process. That anyone would be thinking otherwise who claims to be on the right is mind-blowing.

Further, the idea that giving into Democrats here will somehow heal the nation’s divide is ludicrous and naive. If the GOP doesn’t replace Ginsburg before the election (or in the lame duck), Democrats will still move forward with blowing up the filibuster if they get a chance. The riots won’t stop and Antifa isn’t going away. You can not fix what ails this nation with political olive branches. That a contingent on the right are actually saying that shows just how much we’ve been failed by our supposed intellectual betters in the conservative commentariat.

For their part, Republican office holders better realize the game here and be ready to step up to the plate. There can be no grand bargain. There can be no surrender. This moment is what they were put in office for and if they back down now, voters will burn the party to the ground. A chance to so shift the Supreme Court is not just a once in a generation opportunity. It’s a once in a multi-generation opportunity. Do your job.

https://www.redstate.com/bonch...better-realize-that/

You can not make deals with evil people who act like children when they don't get their way.
September 20, 2020, 04:11 PM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by Sr_Bull:


Well and no appointment was guaranteed to get confirmed once the Senate flipped during Zippy’s 2nd term. She had to hold on as long as possible.




Nonsense. Her replacement would've been confirmed. This wasn't replacing Scalia like the Garland pick would have after all.

The arrogant broad wanted to stay on the court and simply assumed Hillary was guaranteed.


~Alan

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September 20, 2020, 04:14 PM
rburg
I wonder if my poor old mother who died in July had already voted? No question she'd have voted commie. She voted that way back in 2016 because she watched the news. Even my left leaning brother didn't vote for her because of all the trouble she caused "law enforcement". Guess I shouldn't care, Sleepy Joe is terrible but probably headed for a defeat. But I couldn't be more certain in my vote again this time.


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September 20, 2020, 04:28 PM
WingedMedic
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Originally posted by 911Boss:
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Originally posted by WingedMedic:

Re-read her quote... She said "until a new president is installed."



Not a lawyer but the part that really sticks out to me is the word “installed

Not “elected”, not “inaugurated”, but “installed”...

When has a President ever been “installed” in office?

That is quite unnerving...
September 20, 2020, 04:32 PM
nhtagmember
This has been a wonderful weekend without that old crone sucking up useful oxygen.
September 20, 2020, 04:45 PM
downtownv
I suspected she had died previous to this announcement, they could keep the horse in the barn any longer.


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September 20, 2020, 04:49 PM
TigerDore
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Originally posted by downtownv:
I suspected she had died previous to this announcement, they could keep the horse in the barn any longer.

The freezer probably broke down.



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September 20, 2020, 04:52 PM
12131
quote:
Originally posted by downtownv:
I suspected she had died previous to this announcement, they could keep the horse in the barn any longer.

Man, who cares? She's dead. Friday, Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, or Monday. Just irrelevant at this point.


Q






September 20, 2020, 04:54 PM
Balzé Halzé
Flashback: In 2016, Ginsburg said Senate should hold SCOTUS confirmation hearing during election year

The death of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg prompted key Washington figures to change their tune on whether a high-court vacancy should be filled so close to an election - and even the late jurist seems to have reversed herself on the issue.

Ginsburg, whose death was announced Friday, reportedly told her granddaughter Clara Spera, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed." That desire jibes with Democrats, including presidential nominee Joe Biden and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, whose initial statements included both tributes to Ginsburg and warnings to President Trump that the next nominee could only be named by the winner of the November presidential election.

But in 2016, when a lame-duck President Obama tabbed Merrick Garland to replace the late conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, Democratic leaders had no problem with the move. And neither did Ginsburg.


"There's nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being the president in his last year," Ginsburg said in a 2016 New York Times interview in which she called for Garland to receive a confirmation vote in the Senate.

As for whether the Senate should take up a vote on Garland, Ginsburg said at the time, "That's their job."

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...lection-year-vacancy


~Alan

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September 20, 2020, 04:57 PM
flashguy
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Originally posted by downtownv:
I suspected she had died previous to this announcement, they could keep the horse in the barn any longer.
That is pure speculation, for which there is no evidence. Her family would certainly have known.

flashguy




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September 20, 2020, 04:58 PM
Twist
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Originally posted by parabellum:


I honestly didn’t think this weekend could get any better. That meme proved me wrong.

We’re living in great times and in my opinion it’s only gonna get better in the near future.


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September 20, 2020, 05:53 PM
P220 Smudge
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*gigglesnort* Big Grin

The memes coming out of this are priceless.


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September 20, 2020, 06:05 PM
FN in MT
I was sad to see on our local news that there were public gatherings in several Montana town to mourn the old bag. Damned Liberals here will RUIN one of the last best places....it's what they live for.
September 20, 2020, 06:11 PM
feersum dreadnaught






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September 20, 2020, 06:20 PM
jsbcody
The Rageaholic.....definitely NSFW:


September 20, 2020, 07:22 PM
83v45magna
It's especially true at times like this that I really miss JAllen. Following the supreme court was like an avid hobby for him, and I would love to have been able to read his thoughts on this.



I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all. -Ecclesiastes 9:11

...But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by Him shall glory, but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped. - Psalm 63:11 [excerpted]
September 20, 2020, 08:48 PM
nhtagmember
Republicans need to wake up and understand that it’s either us or them.

We need this. It must happen. We need to regain control of the court and then we need to start purging the leftists wherever we find them. No matter who they are.
September 20, 2020, 08:57 PM
egregore
According to this article, we can probably count on soon-to-retire Sen. Lamar "Borderline RINO" Alexander to give the nominee a fair hearing. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...tus-vacancy-n2576546 We won't have to worry about Blackburn.





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September 20, 2020, 09:40 PM
gw3971
I wonder if the nomination hearing gets dragged out If Kamala "heels up" Harris will come off the campaign trail to participate and leave Joe all alone to campaign by himself? Hard to see her not sucking up precious TV hearing time to show up and call the white nominee racist.
September 20, 2020, 09:44 PM
feersum dreadnaught
Consistent much?

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