Originally posted by PrinceAliFabulousHe: This is a joke right? This is an opportunity to screw the left over for another decade and you want to waste it appointing some left wing judge? Yeah, no thanks.
No, it’s not. Look, I don’t want to dull the fact the RGB is no longer part of the Court with a debate over what comes next, so if that needs to end I will happily end it. But Scalia was right - the politicization of the Court is probably the worst thing to happen to our country in the last 50 years. The fact that we’re bracing for a war over this nominee proves that and I’m opposed to perpetuating it because it’s threatening one of the pillars of our republic. It will only stop if someone has the integrity to not continue it when they have the power to choose otherwise. That’s the choice Trump has right now.
Appointing Ted Nugent would cost Trump another term and Republicans the Senate, and it would matter right up until January when Biden is sworn in, Breyer suddenly retires, and some ideologue who had the right turn signal removed from her car on principal is sworn in. Then the left goes on Thomas and Alito death watch. It’s like having a fifth glass of Jack Daniels - it feels good when you feel good but later you realize it was a really bad idea.
Court picks are a crap shoot. Roberts. Souter. Republican nominees have been a majority of the Court since 1969 yet they were six of the seven votes in favor of Roe v. Wade. Trying to differentiate good from great is a fool’s errand that’s not worth the political good will it would cost right now.
Getting someone better than RBG on the Court is a given, and that is cause for celebration. Getting Trump re-elected so he can play the long game is not a given, and it is infinitely better than him going out in a one-term blaze of glory.
What is gained by capitulation? You think a concession is going to induce the democrats to play by our rules? What in the last two decades could possibly make you think that that's a possibility?
Oh gee, intentionally fill the seat with another Roberts, then *maybe* get another selection to get us to the point where we'd already have been, while the democrats play for keeps and will keep throwing up RBGs and Sotomayors no matter what.
Sounds like a great idea.
September 19, 2020, 12:14 AM
12131
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé: And this right here is how we always end up with a Justice Roberts. "Republicans" like Bill Kristol. A pathetic, weak, defeatist line of thinking. If you can't see the fight that lies in front of us, I don't know what else to tell you, man.
Yup. Time to play nice and be timid is long over. What has "reaching across the aisle" with the commies got us? Zero. Whenever government is involved, there will be politics, whether it's the executive, the legislative, or the judicial branch. Don't wish for no polarization, because it's never going to happen.
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September 19, 2020, 12:22 AM
TheOtherDave
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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
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Originally posted by DaveL:
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Originally posted by PrinceAliFabulousHe: This is a joke right? This is an opportunity to screw the left over for another decade and you want to waste it appointing some left wing judge? Yeah, no thanks.
No, it’s not. Look, I don’t want to dull the fact the RGB is no longer part of the Court with a debate over what comes next, so if that needs to end I will happily end it. But Scalia was right - the politicization of the Court is probably the worst thing to happen to our country in the last 50 years. The fact that we’re bracing for a war over this nominee proves that and I’m opposed to perpetuating it because it’s threatening one of the pillars of our republic. It will only stop if someone has the integrity to not continue it when they have the power to choose otherwise. That’s the choice Trump has right now.
Appointing Ted Nugent would cost Trump another term and Republicans the Senate, and it would matter right up until January when Biden is sworn in, Breyer suddenly retires, and some ideologue who had the right turn signal removed from her car on principal is sworn in. Then the left goes on Thomas and Alito death watch. It’s like having a fifth glass of Jack Daniels - it feels good when you feel good but later you realize it was a really bad idea.
Court picks are a crap shoot. Roberts. Souter. Republican nominees have been a majority of the Court since 1969 yet they were six of the seven votes in favor of Roe v. Wade. Trying to differentiate good from great is a fool’s errand that’s not worth the political good will it would cost right now.
Getting someone better than RBG on the Court is a given, and that is cause for celebration. Getting Trump re-elected so he can play the long game is not a given, and it is infinitely better than him going out in a one-term blaze of glory.
What is gained by capitulation?
A contested election, then a 4/4 split vote, then a vote in congress which Trump is expected to win.
You asked what was gained, not whether it was enough.
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September 19, 2020, 12:24 AM
12131
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Originally posted by tatortodd: Nominate Condoleezza Rice so the Dems will have to be against black women
Rice is a Bush RINO. And not even a J.D. Would be a huge mistake.
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September 19, 2020, 12:26 AM
bobtheelf
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Originally posted by TheOtherDave:
A contested election, then a 4/4 split vote, then a vote in congress which Trump is expected to win.
You asked what was gained, not whether it was enough.
On what basis do you assume Trump winning a vote that gets kicked to a Congress with a 34-seat dem majority?
*edit* Never mind, stopped reading too soonThis message has been edited. Last edited by: bobtheelf,
September 19, 2020, 12:39 AM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
On what basis do you assume Trump winning a vote that gets kicked to a Congress with a 34-seat dem majority?
It doesn't work the way you think it does.
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September 19, 2020, 12:39 AM
Fenris
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Originally posted by bobtheelf: On what basis do you assume Trump winning a vote that gets kicked to a Congress with a 34-seat dem majority?
Because they vote by state, and Republicans control a majority of state delegations.
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September 19, 2020, 12:59 AM
DennisM
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Originally posted by Fenris:
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Originally posted by bobtheelf: On what basis do you assume Trump winning a vote that gets kicked to a Congress with a 34-seat dem majority?
Because they vote by state, and Republicans control a majority of state delegations.
By the absolute thinnest possible margin, which highlights the fact that EVERY election is important.
September 19, 2020, 01:05 AM
Dallas239
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Originally posted by ugeesta:
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Originally posted by JoseyWales2:
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Originally posted by TigerDore:
McConnell has located his backbone where judicial appointments are concerned, but he is backed into a corner by his 2016 statements on replacing Scalia.
Baloney. There are no corners in politics. All he has to do is say his "position evolved". How many times do we hear that from the Dems when they flip flop on something.
If I recall correctly, Sleepy Joe Biden was the first Congress critter to push the ‘no selection till the new President is seated’ crap. Think back in the 80’s.
McConnell was shoving that shit back in the Dems face in 2016. I agree with other posting here. Push the SCOTUS thru and fuck the Dems. The gloves are off and they would do the exact same thing if they were in power.
Yes, but in 2016, Joe was denying he ever said that, and was demanding the senate give Garland a vote. Of course he doesn't remember that...
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September 19, 2020, 01:22 AM
markand
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Originally posted by flashguy: Regarding whether or not a confirmation should be attemped now...
flashguy
I looked back several pages and didn't see this mentioned (sorry if I missed it): Just to add another dimension, if the upcoming election is contested, do we want that case to come before a court that could be divided 4-4? A 4-4 court can't decide anything. I would opine that it is urgent that a nomination be made early next week and confirmation completed well before the election. The clock is ticking.
September 19, 2020, 01:43 AM
grumpy1
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Originally posted by markand:
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Originally posted by flashguy: Regarding whether or not a confirmation should be attemped now...
flashguy
I looked back several pages and didn't see this mentioned (sorry if I missed it): Just to add another dimension, if the upcoming election is contested, do we want that case to come before a court that could be divided 4-4? A 4-4 court can't decide anything. I would opine that it is urgent that a nomination be made early next week and confirmation completed well before the election. The clock is ticking.
Yep and then I believe the lower court ruling stands and that could mean the something like the 9TH Circuit.
I am in favor of President Trump and the senate going full steam ahead on the process to nominate a replacement Justice. Let the voting public see the process and how the democrats will try to smear and destroy anyone chosen like they did to Brett Kavanaugh, probably a woman, and go back to her high school classmates to hear made up preposterous maybe like she had an abortion. Let pelosi rant on how she is going to impeach Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas too.
The "first" debate should be very interesting.
I really hope this video is aired again as a political ad reminding how the democrats treat Supreme Court nominees, in this case a black nominee they tried to destroy via a "high tech lynching".
September 19, 2020, 03:04 AM
benny6
Can't wait to hear what Rush has to say on Monday.
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September 19, 2020, 04:47 AM
oldbill123
Wait a week, then push someone through. The Democrats will never approve any nominee and there is no need for anothe Kavenaugh spectacle. Besides, the Dems already said they want to expand the number of Justices and pack the court. Biden will be oushed to put forth his Supreme Court picks
September 19, 2020, 06:31 AM
nasig
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The fact that we’re bracing for a war over this nominee proves that and I’m opposed to perpetuating it because it’s threatening one of the pillars of our republic. It will only stop if someone has the integrity to not continue it when they have the power to choose otherwise. That’s the choice Trump has right now.
I trust President Trump Is fully aware that history shows that attempting to appease the left is a losing proposition.
September 19, 2020, 06:32 AM
tleo205
Trying to "play nice and cooperate" has proven to not work so Trump needs to push ahead with a new pick right away. Screw the democrats and we damn sure don't need a centrist like Garland. She was a bitch right to the end with the "last wish" about replacing her, so she can go to hell as well.
September 19, 2020, 06:56 AM
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September 19, 2020, 07:13 AM
Ironbutt
So, I guess Ruth will be voting by mail?
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September 19, 2020, 07:18 AM
mark60
Maybe they should erect a statue in honor of RBG.
September 19, 2020, 07:25 AM
mbinky
When discussing a replacement remember this...the left has already said (and I believe them) that if they gain the WH and congress they will pack the court. And this was with a live RBG.
Now is the time to press the attack, not let the foot off the gas. Ask yourself...what would the left do in this situation? Yea, exactly.
