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My 19 year old son and high blood pressure ... And now kidney disease
June 08, 2017, 12:59 PM
RNshooterMy 19 year old son and high blood pressure ... And now kidney disease
It's not easy to do, but there absolutely is harm in a low sodium diet. It's called hyponatremia, we see it all the time in the elderly, and it can kill you. Once your "salt bank" in your kidneys is depleted, lack of dietary sodium will cause confusion and deadly heart arrhythmias. Everything in moderation.
Any "work out supplements" or "diet" pills or powders?
Make sure they check all the normal blood work (CBC, Chem-20) as well an A1c, a CPK and a thyroid panel.
And drink water until you're peeing every hour, for a while, both of you.
Bruce
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June 08, 2017, 01:08 PM
bendablequote:
hyponatremia,
Symptoms
You may not have any symptoms if your hyponatremia is very mild. Symptoms usually appear when your level of sodium suddenly rises or drops.
Signs of hyponatremia may include:
● Nausea with vomiting
● Fatigue
● Headache or confusion
● Cramps or spasms in your muscles
● Irritability and restlessness
Severe cases can lead to seizures or even coma.
both my G,P. doctor and my nephroligist
have said that my low sodium diet would not !
cause cramps or irritability or fatigue.
who am I supposed to believe?
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June 08, 2017, 02:21 PM
mark123quote:
Originally posted by bendable:
low salt intake is great, Costco sells low sodium bacon,
but
every bit as important as low salt is high hydration.
2/3 of a gallon of distilled water per day.
the local hospital gift store sells these
for a couple of bucks
they are insulated /graduated mugs.
if he fills this up at midnight , 6 a.m.
and noon , besides what ever else he drinks during the day .
he'll have a good start on getting healthier.
and ! and! his kidneys will love him
Wait, I thought you weren't supposed to drink distilled water because it pulls nutrients out of your system or something. Can anyone confirm?
June 08, 2017, 02:24 PM
mark123quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
It's not easy to do, but there absolutely is harm in a low sodium diet. It's called hyponatremia, we see it all the time in the elderly, and it can kill you. Once your "salt bank" in your kidneys is depleted, lack of dietary sodium will cause confusion and deadly heart arrhythmias. Everything in moderation.
Any "work out supplements" or "diet" pills or powders?
Make sure they check all the normal blood work (CBC, Chem-20) as well an A1c, a CPK and a thyroid panel.
And drink water until you're peeing every hour, for a while, both of you.
Bruce
Thanks for the info. We're not on a zero sodium diet and I don't think there's much danger considering EVERYTHING has sodium in it. Except MiniWheats. That actually claims zero sodium but then you add milk and we're back in business.
June 08, 2017, 02:33 PM
flashguyI am not a doctor, but I know that my doctor is always checking my potassium levels in the blood work. I presume the same is happening for your son?
flashguy
Texan by choice, not accident of birth June 08, 2017, 02:34 PM
triggertreatquote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
Then there are people with the correct, healthy blood pressure for their body who have a blood pressure +4 SDs above. I know one. As a teen they had her on all kinds of BP meds because her normal blood pressure was 190/120. She kept passing out because the drugs would lower her BP below the point her body needed to stay conscious. Finally, in her late teens a cardiologist broke from the traditional medicine
Then there are people who suffer from
White Coat Hypertension. The term white coat hypertension means you have high blood pressure readings (i.e. readings that are consistently 140/90mmHg or above)
only when you are in a medical setting. Your blood pressure readings may be normal when they are taken at home. This was my problem, and cost me the first two career choices I had as a kid. At my absolute fittest, my blood pressure was always high. Finally a doc had me do a blood pressure record. At home and at work my BP was "normal." In his office, always high.
So don't freak out just yet. There are explanations that do not indicate a need for drugs or dietary or lifestyle changes.
That is my problem.I take BP meds and my pressure is high when I go for a visit.I track my stats and my Dr doesnt even look at the check up BP.I just hand him a printout of my readings and we go from there.
I'm alright it's the rest of the world that's all screwed up! June 08, 2017, 02:41 PM
PASigquote:
Originally posted by mark123:
quote:
Originally posted by msfzoe:
Does he drink sufficient water?
He really doesn't. He is like me in that regard. I'm never thirsty. I have to make a conscious effort to hydrate.
Get him and yourself one of these, it will have you drinking lots of water in no time.
I HATE drinking still water. Fizz it up and squeeze in then toss in a chunk of lemon or lime and I can drink tons of it!
Get extra bottles and take them with you wherever you go.
SodaStream
June 08, 2017, 02:46 PM
mark123quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
... Any "work out supplements" or "diet" pills or powders? ...
After we work out we'll share a protein drink to stave off the DOMS. Should I stop that?
June 08, 2017, 03:24 PM
fiasconvaHe could have White Coat and that is the cause. I don't have high blood pressure until I get to a dr's office. Try buying one of those home blood pressure kits and take it at home for a few weeks and see if there is any difference. They are pretty accurate.
"Even if the world were perfect it wouldn't be." ... Yogi Berra June 08, 2017, 03:57 PM
mark123In regards to white coat syndrome, we were alerted to his high blood pressure by the anesthesiologists after his wisdom teeth extraction. Her concern was that it did not come down as he went under so she nixed the white coat scenario.
June 08, 2017, 04:42 PM
12131quote:
Originally posted by mark123:
In regards to white coat syndrome, we were alerted to his high blood pressure by the anesthesiologists after his wisdom teeth extraction. Her concern was that it did not come down as he went under so she nixed the white coat scenario.
I think you already nixed the WC HTN theory in your original post.
quote:
He had a physical in February and his blood pressure was normal and now it's high.
Q
June 08, 2017, 04:55 PM
mark123quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
I think you already nixed the WC HTN theory in your original post.
quote:
He had a physical in February and his blood pressure was normal and now it's high.
It's a good point.
June 08, 2017, 05:00 PM
AZSigsBe prepared for the answer, "We are not sure why he is having high blood pressure." Lab work might show something but not be conclusive. I hope they are able to help your son.
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sjtillRepeated testing in a relaxed setting after sitting at rest for five minutes is essential.
There are also ambulatory blood pressure monitors (although rarely used in practice) that allow for measurements around the clock.
If you have a BP cuff at home (and I recommend you get one if you don't, e.g. an Omron at Wal-Mart), check it on Marky several times a day, keep a record, take it back to the physician. You should be doing this now no matter the blood test results; it will help confirm or refute the elevated BP reading at the doctor's office.
I used to work in a research clinic where we followed exacting methods for measuring BP. Several times a week we got subjects sent by their MD because of high readings in the office, they were normal in our clinic.
Otherwise much good advice above e.g. from 12131; but be sure of the diagnosis first!
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June 08, 2017, 05:33 PM
ScooterXDepending how the labs come back, probably needs a thorough kidney work up.
June 08, 2017, 07:31 PM
ZSMICHAELYou got good advice here from a physician, 12131. Most likely kidney issue, secondary HTN. Keeping track of blood pressure is important in the interim, but please have the appropriate tests for kidney disease.
June 08, 2017, 10:02 PM
AquabirdFor just lowering BP, but not working on the cause of it:
Natural BP lowering treats.
Olive leaf capsules
H.T. Combo (google to find on net)
Garlic
red Root.
Siberian Ginseng.
But I would try to work on the cause or Hypertension.
My wife has lowered hers without Prescription drugs and their many side effects.
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June 08, 2017, 10:09 PM
brecaidraIf he's working out now and wasn't before then maybe his electrolytes are out of balance. Just a lack of potassium can raise BP.
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snorisIn a prior life I was a pharmaceutical rep and carried cardiovascular drugs, including antihypertensives.
From everything you stated, I'm thinking "not enough water intake" and maybe an infection going on.
Some of the literature we saw on teens with hypertension talked a lot about the pros and cons of a number of "sports/energy drinks." Even back then, most of the articles said they were bad news.
The one I've found for myself that seems to help keep everything on an even keel is Powerade Zero, but that's solely my experience.
June 09, 2017, 12:59 AM
RNshooterquote:
Originally posted by mark123:
quote:
Originally posted by RNshooter:
... Any "work out supplements" or "diet" pills or powders? ...
After we work out we'll share a protein drink to stave off the DOMS. Should I stop that?
Read the labels and research every ingredient. And bring them to the next visit. Nothing is too small to leave out.
Bruce
"The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams
“It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free."
-Niccolo Machiavelli
The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken